What benefit does eating plants have (not including fruit)

[Munificent]

Just curious, seeing as meat has every nutrient you need and all plant versions of vitamins etc are vastly inferior - poorly absorbed by the body, if at all and poorly converted to the animal versions we actually need, if at all.

[Sexual chocolate]

you dont inflict torture on beings of higher sentience

[Munificent]

you dont inflict torture on beings of higher sentience

If killing for food is torture then all predators are torturers

[Daily Flosser]

you dont inflict torture on beings of higher sentience

a feline wouldn't think twice about killing you

[Sexual chocolate]

If killing for food is torture then all predators are torturers

u asked me benefit and i listed one

if net sum of pain goes down in world its still a benefit, just not for u

diet wise theres nothing special about meat except carnosine, creatine and b12 all of which can be supplemented easily

[Munificent]

u asked me benefit and i listed one

if net sum of pain goes down in world its still a benefit, just not for u

diet wise theres nothing special about meat except carnosine, creatine and b12 all of which can be supplemented easily

You didn’t explain how killing for food is torture. And even if it was, why is that bad?
Why is net sum of pain going down a benefit? So if we nuked the planet and there was zero pain left that would be a win? Predators exist therefore life requires death. 

If by torture you mean keeping animals locked up, wouldn’t dairy also cause ‘torture’?

[kathisterima]

do you actually know this or just talking nonsense you read on the internet

I can say with certainty (for me) that diets are scam, since I've tried most if not all of them

[Munificent]

do you actually know this or just talking nonsense you read on the internet

I can say with certainty (for me) that diets are scam, since I've tried most if not all of them

Define know.

‘Diets are a scam’ - what about the diet you’re currently eating?

[kathisterima]

Define know.

‘Diets are a scam’ - what about the diet you’re currently eating?

My diet doesnt promise anything

[Mr Looks]

I can't think of anything

[Sexual chocolate]

You didn’t explain how killing for food is torture. And even if it was, why is that bad?

Why is net sum of pain going down a benefit? So if we nuked the planet and there was zero pain left that would be a win? 

Under utilitarian calculus, its a net positive. I dont care about ur moral valuations,im simply describing how under a certain paradigm it can be construed to be a negative. If you dont subscribe to that valuation then gfy.

[Sexual chocolate]

do you actually know this or just talking nonsense you read on the internet

I can say with certainty (for me) that diets are scam, since I've tried most if not all of them

carnivore is a scam, but u can certainly get a pretty decent understanding of human physiology to construct a diet that is more on the optimal side. Start with questioning the belief that sugar is poison.

[Munificent]

carnivore is a scam, but u can certainly get a pretty decent understanding of human physiology to construct a diet that is more on the optimal side. Start with questioning the belief that sugar is poison.

We get it u know Ray peat

[Altruist]

you dont inflict torture on beings of higher sentience

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stressed-plants-cry-and-some-animals-can-probably-hear-them/

[Sexual chocolate]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stressed-plants-cry-and-some-animals-can-probably-hear-them/

which is why i used a relative term