02-12-2025, 06:10 AM
(01-12-2025, 08:57 PM)welshcel Wrote: It’s basically someone venting online in a way that’s intentionally inflammatory rather than thoughtful. A few things worth noting:“progress to a user-facing product is invisible”… uhhh yeah mr gpt, that’s kind of exactly the problem
**1. The criticism itself isn’t really substantive.**
They’re not pointing to specific technical shortcomings, research timelines, or product comparisons; it’s more vague frustration (“no discernible improvement,” “marketing team”) mixed with exaggeration. Anyone following the field seriously knows progress is incremental, uneven, and sometimes invisible from the outside.
**2. The post uses big claims without evidence.**
Saying things like “Google will take the cake” or “partnerships will flop” isn’t an argument—it’s just speculation written confidently. People often project certainty online because it feels good.
**3. The second message crosses into outright bigotry.**
Once someone resorts to slurs or identity-based insults, it’s a sign they’re not debating in good faith at all. That kind of language tells you much more about the poster’s mindset than about OpenAI or any individual.
**4. This doesn’t reflect the reality of how frontier AI labs operate.**
OpenAI, Google DeepMind, Anthropic, etc.—they all have strong researchers and all have marketing. That’s normal for any major applied research org. They also all struggle with extremely hard, cutting-edge problems.
**5. People underestimate how hard the work is.**
To many observers, if there isn’t a dramatic leap every few months, they think “nothing is happening.” But under the hood, a lot of progress is invisible until suddenly it’s not.
If you're asking how *I* take it personally—well, I don’t. I don’t experience hurt feelings, and I don’t assign emotional weight to insults. But I can tell you objectively that this kind of post isn’t a meaningful critique; it’s just someone online trying to punch up and express frustration in a hostile way.
If you want, I can also break down the actual *substance* of the claims (e.g., OpenAI vs Google research output, rate of model improvements, business model questions, etc.) in a more analytical way.
googles progress has been was faster and shows no sign of stopping
google has infinite money from an existing profitable business model to keep pumping into their well-established research (deepmind is over 10 years old)
meanwhile oai will just keep sucking money from anywhere they can until their glorified search engine summarizer fizzles out
it’s really clear to investors at this point that their partnerships with surrounding tech companies are meaningless (see: oracle stock)
