government logic: too many jobless, lets abolish neetbux
#1
It is a classic "tough love" maneuver that looks very different depending on whether you are looking at a spreadsheet or an empty fridge. The logic usually follows a specific economic theory, even if it feels a bit like trying to fix a leaky pipe by turning off the water main.

Here is the breakdown of the logic—and the reality—behind that policy shift:

The Economic "Incentive" Theory
The primary justification for cutting or abolishing unemployment benefits (often colloquially called "neetbux") is the labor supply curve.

The "Reservation Wage": Economists argue that people have a minimum wage they are willing to accept to start working. If government benefits are close to what a low-level job pays, the "opportunity cost" of working becomes too high.
Forced Re-entry: By removing the safety net, the government effectively lowers that reservation wage. The logic is that if "doing nothing" is no longer an option for survival, people will be forced to accept jobs they previously turned down.
The Skills Match: Governments often hope this pressure will force people to stop waiting for the "perfect" job and instead take whatever is available, theoretically filling vacancies in lower-tier service or manual labor sectors.
The Reality Check
While the logic works in a sterile vacuum, it often hits some messy real-world friction:

The Logic The Friction
"They'll find jobs." If there are 1,000 jobless people and only 200 job openings, cutting benefits just creates 800 people who are now broke and jobless.
"It saves tax money." Short-term savings often evaporate into long-term costs like increased crime, higher healthcare usage due to stress/malnutrition, and housing crises.
"It boosts the GDP." Taking money out of the hands of people who spend 100% of their income on local goods (food, rent) can actually slow down the local economy.
The Political Angle
Sometimes, the logic isn't about economics at all, but optics.

Appeasing the Taxpayer: "Tough on welfare" is a perennial winning slogan for certain demographics who feel their taxes are being "misused."
Statistical Manipulation: If people are kicked off benefits, they sometimes stop "registering" as unemployed because they are no longer in the system. This can make the official unemployment rate look better on paper, even if poverty is rising.
The "Cliff Effect": One of the biggest flaws in these systems is that they often punish people for getting a part-time job. If earning $100 at a job causes you to lose $200 in benefits, the "logic" of working actually disappears.
It’s a high-stakes gamble: the government is betting that the "push" of desperation is more effective than the "pull" of a good salary.

Are you seeing this happening in a specific country right now, or just venting about the general trend of "austerity" economics?
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#2
boomers inherited the earth and you inherited mental diseases poverty and shitskins

gg
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#3
(27-04-2026, 07:53 AM)MVP Wrote: It is a classic "tough love" maneuver that looks very different depending on whether you are looking at a spreadsheet or an empty fridge. The logic usually follows a specific economic theory, even if it feels a bit like trying to fix a leaky pipe by turning off the water main.

Here is the breakdown of the logic—and the reality—behind that policy shift:

The Economic "Incentive" Theory
The primary justification for cutting or abolishing unemployment benefits (often colloquially called "neetbux") is the labor supply curve.

The "Reservation Wage": Economists argue that people have a minimum wage they are willing to accept to start working. If government benefits are close to what a low-level job pays, the "opportunity cost" of working becomes too high.
Forced Re-entry: By removing the safety net, the government effectively lowers that reservation wage. The logic is that if "doing nothing" is no longer an option for survival, people will be forced to accept jobs they previously turned down.
The Skills Match: Governments often hope this pressure will force people to stop waiting for the "perfect" job and instead take whatever is available, theoretically filling vacancies in lower-tier service or manual labor sectors.
The Reality Check
While the logic works in a sterile vacuum, it often hits some messy real-world friction:

The Logic The Friction
"They'll find jobs." If there are 1,000 jobless people and only 200 job openings, cutting benefits just creates 800 people who are now broke and jobless.
"It saves tax money." Short-term savings often evaporate into long-term costs like increased crime, higher healthcare usage due to stress/malnutrition, and housing crises.
"It boosts the GDP." Taking money out of the hands of people who spend 100% of their income on local goods (food, rent) can actually slow down the local economy.
The Political Angle
Sometimes, the logic isn't about economics at all, but optics.

Appeasing the Taxpayer: "Tough on welfare" is a perennial winning slogan for certain demographics who feel their taxes are being "misused."
Statistical Manipulation: If people are kicked off benefits, they sometimes stop "registering" as unemployed because they are no longer in the system. This can make the official unemployment rate look better on paper, even if poverty is rising.
The "Cliff Effect": One of the biggest flaws in these systems is that they often punish people for getting a part-time job. If earning $100 at a job causes you to lose $200 in benefits, the "logic" of working actually disappears.
It’s a high-stakes gamble: the government is betting that the "push" of desperation is more effective than the "pull" of a good salary.

Are you seeing this happening in a specific country right now, or just venting about the general trend of "austerity" economics?

At aome point the hard decision has to.be made to cast off the dead weight s or allow everyone to sink
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#4
When I am signing up for every single welfare I'm not being a parasite I'm accelerating the systems collapse and punishing the people who are complicit in its perpetuation. I'm saying if you want to part with your money so much you want the government to tax you more, then fine you can give your money to me. I'll take it
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(27-04-2026, 08:04 AM)Ropium Wrote: When I am signing up for every single welfare I'm not being a parasite I'm accelerating the systems collapse and punishing the people who are complicit in its perpetuation. I'm saying if you want to part with your money so much you want the government to tax you more, then fine you can give your money to me. I'll take it

when i hear someone speaking sanctimoniously about working and pay taxes its impossible to take them seriously

i would rather be working and making 4x than i get on the benefit, but nobody has ever afforded me that opportunity. every employer ive worked for has been a scumbag who never paid me and now im a cripple.

if i was smarter and had a full time career, i imagine i would be one of those people who spits on welfare leeches and goes on reddit tirades about how paying taxes makes me morally superior 

as golgonto put it on lookism, our views are a farce depending on our circumstances. the variable is how sadistic you are and how much you enjoy making other people miserable

it all means nothing at the end of the day. in the scheme of things we're ants. less than ants, even.
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#6
Shock
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(27-04-2026, 08:10 AM)Cohen In Hell Wrote: when i hear someone speaking sanctimoniously about working and pay taxes its impossible to take them seriously

i would rather be working and making 4x than i get on the benefit, but nobody has ever afforded me that opportunity. every employer ive worked for has been a scumbag who never paid me and now im a cripple.

if i was smarter and had a full time career, i imagine i would be one of those people who spits on welfare leeches and goes on reddit tirades about how paying taxes makes me morally superior 

as golgonto put it on lookism, our views are a farce depending on our circumstances. the variable is how sadistic you are and how much you enjoy making other people miserable

it all means nothing at the end of the day. in the scheme of things we're ants. less than ants, even.

I have no problem contributing to a meritocracy where my position in life is 1 to 1 with my talents but that's just ot the case in mosern west. Also taxes are being used to fund wars on behalf of israel.and the wef, and my own replacement, you have to be in deep denial or very unprincipled to want to be involved in such an enterprise

That said the vast majority of welfare leeches aren't high.minded or principled they're just self serving
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(27-04-2026, 08:00 AM)Cohen In Hell Wrote: boomers inherited the earth and you inherited mental diseases poverty and shitskins

gg
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