[Aspie] can being wealthy turn failos into halos?

[AntonioJuraz]

nice reply skills.

anyways you are wrong cause to actually make them change their tastes like i said in my next post after that one, you need to make them consciously affirm the thing. in your case with the rap music its the listening of the rap music with your rich friend and even alone. once you stopped listening to the rap music, you stopped consciously affirming the idea / opinion, you stopped thinking it was cool. go read up on cults and how they operate, there is a reason they brand people and put blindfolds on them and make them recite oaths that revealing the cult secrets means death.

at least I replied to what you said. you didnt even reply to my points because you couldnt, you know that im right (especially the quote from you about women consciously lying about stuff). you just handwave it away lol

now youre creating yet more new arguments to patch up the holes in your old argument. now youre talking about conscious affirmation LOL. you simply cant accept the simple fact that people's tastes can be influenced by LMS. what im saying isnt even a controversial opinion yet youre still trying to arbitrarily qualify it and argue against it hahahah

you are not saying anything, all you are saying is there are holes in my argument or that i am walking stuff back or that it's the same as what you said, when you are not even able to comprehend it. you start by saying the "in" group thing is conscious when it's not and now you say i am walking it back when i did not. you legit don't seem to understand what i am saying, and that's ok there are tons of idiots like you on this planet who can't understand basic human psychology and thus it can be used against you, which is why it's so sought out now in large companies.

keep coping. everything I posted in my last response is legit, youre just obfuscating and dissembling at this point. thats why you wont address this:

"you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you."
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:

"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."

previously you were suggesting some sort of deliberate, intentional quality behind the haloing effect in order to gain favor and access to resources but now youre trying a different tack and trying to claim its all an unconscious attempt to join the in group or whatever. you literally switched your strategies once I knocked down your old arguments. thats why you wont address this specific quote of your own that I keep bringing up

you really don't understand, the "in" group thing is subconscious such as your high opinion of your rich friend which makes you want to appear more like them and have them consider you one of them, while the lying is a conscious affirmation like how you would say 10 years ago to your friend "that's some cool rap music".

you really don't seem to understand this. if your friend was just some random not rich guy, you probably wouldn't have pretended to like rap music, cause you don't consider them a top "in" group member. like i said explaining this to an idiot is a waste of my time, you clearly don't seem to understand the difference between subconscious (rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them!) and consciously ("yea that's come cool music you listen to", actually listening to the music, saying a catchphrase like "black lives matter")

[artisanalshitposter]

you really don't understand, the "in" group thing is subconscious such as your high opinion of your rich friend which makes you want to appear more like them and have them consider you one of them, while the lying is a conscious affirmation like how you would say 10 years ago to your friend "that's some cool rap music".

you really don't seem to understand this. if your friend was just some random not rich guy, you probably wouldn't have pretended to like rap music, cause you don't consider them a top "in" group member. like i said explaining this to an idiot is a waste of my time, you clearly don't seem to understand the difference between subconscious (rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them!) and consciously ("yea that's come cool music you listen to", actually listening to the music, saying a catchphrase like "black lives matter")

its actually really easy to understand, youre just trying to use academic theory to overcomplicate a simple concept. my argument has always been that LMS can halo things. this is not a controversial statement at all. I never made any claims about the how or why this happens, I just stated that LMS can halo various things. youre trying to create an argument out of nothing, I have no idea what point youre even trying to make anymore (in the context of the original point of this thread). my original point was:

LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things

whats there to argue about?

[AntonioJuraz]

you really don't understand, the "in" group thing is subconscious such as your high opinion of your rich friend which makes you want to appear more like them and have them consider you one of them, while the lying is a conscious affirmation like how you would say 10 years ago to your friend "that's some cool rap music".

you really don't seem to understand this. if your friend was just some random not rich guy, you probably wouldn't have pretended to like rap music, cause you don't consider them a top "in" group member. like i said explaining this to an idiot is a waste of my time, you clearly don't seem to understand the difference between subconscious (rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them!) and consciously ("yea that's come cool music you listen to", actually listening to the music, saying a catchphrase like "black lives matter")

its actually really easy to understand, youre just trying to use academic theory to overcomplicate a simple concept. my argument has always been that LMS can halo things. this is not a controversial statement at all. I never made any claims about the how or why this happens, I just stated that LMS can halo various things. youre trying to create an argument out of nothing, I have no idea what point youre even trying to make anymore (in the context of the original point of this thread). my original point was:

LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things

whats there to argue about?

your examples, saying that being rich and autist about something will be seen as a positive trait vs poor with the same trait when in reality they are both seen as bad traits but people will put up with the bad trait or idea in order to further their own social status.

that rich autistic guy in classical music will still have people talk about him badly due to his autism they just won't do it around him or in public settings where he might learn they said something bad about him.

now if he had everyone say every day "being autistic in classical music is really cool" for years on end, he might finally convince them that it's a positive trait but just being rich or good looking or high status along with a negative trait won't magically make the negative trait positive in other people's eyes.

[artisanalshitposter]

you really don't understand, the "in" group thing is subconscious such as your high opinion of your rich friend which makes you want to appear more like them and have them consider you one of them, while the lying is a conscious affirmation like how you would say 10 years ago to your friend "that's some cool rap music".

you really don't seem to understand this. if your friend was just some random not rich guy, you probably wouldn't have pretended to like rap music, cause you don't consider them a top "in" group member. like i said explaining this to an idiot is a waste of my time, you clearly don't seem to understand the difference between subconscious (rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them!) and consciously ("yea that's come cool music you listen to", actually listening to the music, saying a catchphrase like "black lives matter")

its actually really easy to understand, youre just trying to use academic theory to overcomplicate a simple concept. my argument has always been that LMS can halo things. this is not a controversial statement at all. I never made any claims about the how or why this happens, I just stated that LMS can halo various things. youre trying to create an argument out of nothing, I have no idea what point youre even trying to make anymore (in the context of the original point of this thread). my original point was:

LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things

whats there to argue about?

your examples, saying that being rich and autist about something will be seen as a positive trait vs poor with the same trait when in reality they are both seen as bad traits but people will put up with the bad trait or idea in order to further their own social status.

that rich autistic guy in classical music will still have people talk about him badly due to his autism they just won't do it around him or in public settings where he might learn they said something bad about him.

now if he had everyone say every day "being autistic in classical music is really cool" for years on end, he might finally convince them that it's a positive trait but just being rich or good looking or high status along with a negative trait won't magically make the negative trait positive in other people's eyes.

yup and you demonstrate my point. youre claiming that the in group thing is happening subconsciously: 

"rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them! "

so in actuality people would be haloing the rich classical music guy without even realizing it as you implied with the quote above. youre trying to randomly argue than people are just being superficially nice to him but again, this is an arbitrary statement, youre just pulling this out of nowhere. the same with the second statement about him conditioning people in some fashion, this is another completely arbitrary statement youre making

the truth is, there are various traits which are kind of grey; as in they could be seen as either positive or negative depending on the situation (like being autistic about classical music); for these kinds of traits they can be a halo or a failo depending on LMS. this is what ive been saying the entire time, youre trying to create an argument out of nothing. you arbitrarily identified this as a "bad" trait:

"your examples, saying that being rich and autist about something will be seen as a positive trait vs poor with the same trait when in reality they are both seen as bad traits but people will put up with the bad trait or idea in order to further their own social status."

when actually the thing about being autistic about classical music is a neutral/grey trait. your logic would apply to something unambiguously cringe like being a bronie or liking hentai, but if its something more neutral like really liking classical music then its not as easy to make this kind of blanket statement, which again is what ive been saying this whole time. you just choose to arbitrarily oversimplify things and try to push through your theory when the reality is more complex than what you perceive

what you write demonstrates the dangers of adopting an overly theoretical frame of mind; youre losing touch with what actually happens in reality. to reiterate the rap example again:

1.I had a rich friend I hung out with once in a blue moon

2.he listened to some rap and I thought it was cool (halo effect), so I started listening to it some too

3.I knew this guy for years but only hung out with him like 2-3 times in total; there was hardly any time for this bogus arbitrary conditioning effect youre talking about to take place. 

you make way too many assumptions about how people think and you try to force a square peg into a round hole with your psychological theories. IRL things happen much more fluidly and without all these different steps you keep talking about

[AntonioJuraz]

the truth is, there are various traits which are kind of grey; as in they could be seen as either positive or negative depending on the situation (like being autistic about classical music)

wrong. 

The autism spectrum is a range of neurodevelopmental conditions generally characterized by difficulties in social interactions and communication, repetitive behaviors, intense interests, and unusual responses to sensory stimuli. It is commonly referred to as autism or, in the context of a professional diagnosis, autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

difficulties in social interactions and communication
difficulties in social interactions and communication
[b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b]
[b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b]
[b][b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b][/b]

no girl is like "i wish i had an autist as a boyfriend, i love how they have a hard time understanding what i really mean or communication with my friends!"

instead girls say "i wish i had a rich boyfriend / husband"

[artisanalshitposter]

the truth is, there are various traits which are kind of grey; as in they could be seen as either positive or negative depending on the situation (like being autistic about classical music)

wrong. 

The autism spectrum is a range of neurodevelopmental conditions generally characterized by difficulties in social interactions and communication, repetitive behaviors, intense interests, and unusual responses to sensory stimuli. It is commonly referred to as autism or, in the context of a professional diagnosis, autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

difficulties in social interactions and communication
difficulties in social interactions and communication
[b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b]
[b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b]
[b][b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b][/b]

no girl is like "i wish i had an autist as a boyfriend, i love how they have a hard time understanding what i really mean or communication with my friends!"

instead girls say "i wish i had a rich boyfriend / husband"

LOL you once again demonstrate your lack of understanding. its clear I wasnt talking about literal autism dude; hardly anyone on these boards talks about autism in a LITERAL sense. everyone means autism in casual, colloquial sense. you really thought I was talking about LITERAL autism this whole time? no wonder you misunderstood

[AntonioJuraz]

the truth is, there are various traits which are kind of grey; as in they could be seen as either positive or negative depending on the situation (like being autistic about classical music)

wrong. 

The autism spectrum is a range of neurodevelopmental conditions generally characterized by difficulties in social interactions and communication, repetitive behaviors, intense interests, and unusual responses to sensory stimuli. It is commonly referred to as autism or, in the context of a professional diagnosis, autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

difficulties in social interactions and communication
difficulties in social interactions and communication
[b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b]
[b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b]
[b][b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b][/b]

no girl is like "i wish i had an autist as a boyfriend, i love how they have a hard time understanding what i really mean or communication with my friends!"

instead girls say "i wish i had a rich boyfriend / husband"

LOL you once again demonstrate your lack of understanding. its clear I wasnt talking about literal autism dude; hardly anyone on these boards talks about autism in a LITERAL sense. everyone means autism in casual, colloquial sense. you really thought I was talking about LITERAL autism this whole time? no wonder you misunderstood

ok but the same point stands really, no girl is ever gonna say

"i wish i had a bf who is obsessed with classical music"

instead they are gonna say

"i wish i have a rich / good looking / famous bf"

also don't use the word if you don't mean it, we are talking using only words how am i supposed to read your mind and determine you don't actually mean the words you are using, sounds like you have some sort of difficulties in social interactions and communication if you think i should be reading your mind over the internet. 

[Altruist]

Lol

[artisanalshitposter]

the truth is, there are various traits which are kind of grey; as in they could be seen as either positive or negative depending on the situation (like being autistic about classical music)

wrong. 

The autism spectrum is a range of neurodevelopmental conditions generally characterized by difficulties in social interactions and communication, repetitive behaviors, intense interests, and unusual responses to sensory stimuli. It is commonly referred to as autism or, in the context of a professional diagnosis, autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

difficulties in social interactions and communication
difficulties in social interactions and communication
[b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b]
[b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b]
[b][b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b][/b]

no girl is like "i wish i had an autist as a boyfriend, i love how they have a hard time understanding what i really mean or communication with my friends!"

instead girls say "i wish i had a rich boyfriend / husband"

LOL you once again demonstrate your lack of understanding. its clear I wasnt talking about literal autism dude; hardly anyone on these boards talks about autism in a LITERAL sense. everyone means autism in casual, colloquial sense. you really thought I was talking about LITERAL autism this whole time? no wonder you misunderstood

ok but the same point stands really, no girl is ever gonna say

"i wish i had a bf who is obsessed with classical music"

instead they are gonna say

"i wish i have a rich / good looking / famous bf"

also don't use the word if you don't mean it, we are talking using only words how am i supposed to read your mind and determine you don't actually mean the words you are using, sounds like you have some sort of difficulties in social interactions and communication if you think i should be reading your mind over the internet. 

its clear youre missing the whole point. the point was always that there are neutral/grey traits which can be failoed/haloed depending on LMS; your example about what a girl would hypothetically say has nothing to do with the point of the OP. the truth is, some traits can look cool or uncool depending on LMS; this should be an uncontroversial statement

no, my usage of the word was fine. its totally appropriate for this subculture and commonly used in this fashion; its your fault for not understanding common lingo and colloquialisms

[AntonioJuraz]

wrong. 

The autism spectrum is a range of neurodevelopmental conditions generally characterized by difficulties in social interactions and communication, repetitive behaviors, intense interests, and unusual responses to sensory stimuli. It is commonly referred to as autism or, in the context of a professional diagnosis, autism spectrum disorder (ASD).

difficulties in social interactions and communication
difficulties in social interactions and communication
[b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b]
[b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b]
[b][b][b]difficulties in social interactions and communication[/b][/b][/b]

no girl is like "i wish i had an autist as a boyfriend, i love how they have a hard time understanding what i really mean or communication with my friends!"

instead girls say "i wish i had a rich boyfriend / husband"

LOL you once again demonstrate your lack of understanding. its clear I wasnt talking about literal autism dude; hardly anyone on these boards talks about autism in a LITERAL sense. everyone means autism in casual, colloquial sense. you really thought I was talking about LITERAL autism this whole time? no wonder you misunderstood

ok but the same point stands really, no girl is ever gonna say

"i wish i had a bf who is obsessed with classical music"

instead they are gonna say

"i wish i have a rich / good looking / famous bf"

also don't use the word if you don't mean it, we are talking using only words how am i supposed to read your mind and determine you don't actually mean the words you are using, sounds like you have some sort of difficulties in social interactions and communication if you think i should be reading your mind over the internet. 

its clear youre missing the whole point. the point was always that there are neutral/grey traits which can be failoed/haloed depending on LMS; your example about what a girl would hypothetically say has nothing to do with the point of the OP. the truth is, some traits can look cool or uncool depending on LMS; this should be an uncontroversial statement

no, my usage of the word was fine. its totally appropriate for this subculture and commonly used in this fashion; its your fault for not understanding common lingo and colloquialisms

there really aren't, there are just things you are more willing to put up with cause of the other person's looks or money or status, like listening to rap music when you don't like it. they are black and white on an individual basis like how you don't like rap music and consider it a negative trait but your friend would consider liking rap music a positive trait.

[sub8yetalive]

looks r king

[B00X]

it can legitimize to an extent