[Aspie] can being wealthy turn failos into halos?

[artisanalshitposter]

you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor. it's the same on a society level, when you have celebs push something people will pretend to be on board cause they think all the rich / good looking people are on board and they want to be included within the "in" group and not see themselves as an outsider to the "in" group.

i really doubt you listen to rap music on your own just cause your rich friend does, instead you just tolerate it around them cause they are rich and you want to be "in" with them.

post a pic of your personal homemade rap playlist to prove me wrong and tell me whom your 10 favorite rappers.

you dont seem to understand that most people arent as sentient as we are and dont deeply question their own motives/psychology. lots of people buy into stuff because its popular and they dont even think about it on a deep enough level to second guess themselves. psychology is not a cut and dry type thing, there is much about the mind that is amorphous and hard to precisely delineate. most people cant parse out what they REALLY want as opposed to whats being pushed onto them; this is the essential conundrum of the NPC archetype

the anecdote about rap music happened well over a decade ago when I was still a young adult; and yes I did genuinely start listening to some rap or at least being more open to it because it was haloed by my rich friend. no I dont listen to rap these days

[AntonioJuraz]

you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor. it's the same on a society level, when you have celebs push something people will pretend to be on board cause they think all the rich / good looking people are on board and they want to be included within the "in" group and not see themselves as an outsider to the "in" group.

i really doubt you listen to rap music on your own just cause your rich friend does, instead you just tolerate it around them cause they are rich and you want to be "in" with them.

post a pic of your personal homemade rap playlist to prove me wrong and tell me whom your 10 favorite rappers.

you dont seem to understand that most people arent as sentient as we are and dont deeply question their own motives/psychology. lots of people buy into stuff because its popular and they dont even think about it on a deep enough level to second guess themselves. psychology is not a cut and dry type thing, there is much about the mind that is amorphous and hard to precisely delineate. most people cant parse out what they REALLY want as opposed to whats being pushed onto them; this is the essential conundrum of the NPC archetype

the anecdote about rap music happened well over a decade ago when I was still a young adult; and yes I did genuinely start listening to some rap or at least being more open to it because it was haloed by my rich friend. no I dont listen to rap these days

the same with women, they will listen to the rap music of the rich guy until the rich guy dumps them then they will stop listening to rap again. there is also a society factor now, cause of mass media, big government, and the need for women to want to be part of the "in" group due to them not being able to survive in nature. a lot of men are also like this now, subhuman males who couldn't survive in nature so they signal out whatever the "in" group signals to them.

[artisanalshitposter]

the same with women, they will listen to the rap music of the rich guy until the rich guy dumps them then they will stop listening to rap again. there is also a society factor now, cause of mass media and the need for women to want to be part of the "in" group due to them not being able to survive in nature. a lot of men are also like this now, subhuman males who couldn't survive in nature so they signal out whatever the "in" group signals to them.

man whats with you and insisting on these black and white scenarios? even after the rich guy dumps her she might or might not continue to listen to rap music. I kept listening to rap music for a few years after I stopped hanging out with the rich guy; he left that sort of impression on me

its almost like you have these autistic theories about how humans should act and expect humans to follow them exactly. like I said, various trends get haloed by LMS (usually through the media) and people pick up on them and incorporate them into themselves, its not always part of a conscious calculated decision to belong to an "in" group. stop with this lame hyper-reductionist redpill evolutionary psychology bs, some of its true but a lot of it is just autistic theorizing and overcomplicating reality

[AntonioJuraz]

conscious calculated decision

never said it was conscious.

everything i said is what you learn in university in psychology and sociology classes.

[AntonioJuraz]

here is an example, the women doesn't want to be perceived as racist and be ostracized by the media, her job, her friends, her family, so she hesitates on a very basic choice. i don't think she will ever reflect on why she was hesitant, but the reason is obvious to anyone living in america.

   

[artisanalshitposter]

conscious calculated decision

never said it was conscious.

everything i said is what you learn in university in psychology and sociology classes.

youre still trying to argue that people's tastes cannot be legitimately shaped by halo effects (LMS) and that instead it always has to be about belonging to an in group or an out group. hahahahah

its funny even if you learned this stuff in psychology or sociology classes; youre just demonstrating that youre an NPC who takes what is taught in universities at face value. regardless of where you learned it from, its a vast oversimplification of human psychology, this hyper-reductionist approach is wrong. human psychology does not have sharply delineated borders and isolated areas of motivation like youre trying to suggest. I dont know why you keep trying to defend such a flimsy point. I even conceded earlier that youre partially right and your logic is correct under certain circumstances, but like a typical NPC you can only think in zero-sum terms and insist that one party must be completely wrong and the other one is completely wrong instead of realizing that maybe both parties are sort of right

youre the one who keeps shifting the argument around and now youre trying to argue about pedantic semantics like above. whats the point?

to clarify; im actually saying that we're both right under certain conditions and this is what ive been saying the whole time. youre the only one who disagrees and keeps trying to implicitly insist im wrong about something

[AntonioJuraz]

conscious calculated decision

never said it was conscious.

everything i said is what you learn in university in psychology and sociology classes.

youre still trying to argue that people's tastes cannot be legitimately shaped by halo effects (LMS) and that instead it always has to be about belonging to an in group or an out group. hahahahah

its funny even if you learned this stuff in psychology or sociology classes; youre just demonstrating that youre an NPC who takes what is taught in universities at face value. regardless of where you learned it from, its a vast oversimplification of human psychology, this hyper-reductionist approach is wrong. human psychology does not have sharply delineated borders and isolated areas of motivation like youre trying to suggest. I dont know why you keep trying to defend such a flimsy point. I even conceded earlier that youre partially right and your logic is correct under certain circumstances, but like a typical NPC you can only think in zero-sum terms and insist that one party must be completely wrong and the other one is completely wrong instead of realizing that maybe both parties are sort of right

youre the one who keeps shifting the argument around and now youre trying to argue about pedantic semantics like above. whats the point? lol

i never said i learned it, those classes are beneath me, but at the same time the people who came up with those classes reached the same conclusions i have reached which means what i have come up with is not some crazy autist theory like you claim but something that anyone who is intelligent and uses basic logic can reach.

yes some stuff takes time, but at the end of the day you can turn any real life situation into a black or white question. you might of listened to the rap a bit, but at the end of the day you don't like it and eventually reverted back to your nature state in regards to it. there are a lot of physical factors involved as well. if you kept listening to rap music lets say by staying friends with the rich person and listening to it when they are around, you would probably still listen to it today instead of telling your friend to change the music to something you both like.

you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you.

you can deny what i wrote but it's true and professionals in these fields agree with me or have very similar theories and ideas. every company nowadays is hiring psychologists and paying them big bucks, so clearly these ideas they have are legit in some way.

the "in" group idea does apply to all humans as humans are generally social creatures. most people when you talk to them 1 on 1 they will say they do not like the anti-white racism, the pro transexual stuff that is pushed, etc, but would never say it in public or in a group setting for fear of being kicked out of their "in" group which includes job, friends, family, society, etc. people also understand on a subconscious level that rich, famous, and even good looking people to a degree are automatically top of the societal "in" group and will try to imitate them, virtue signal the beliefs the "in" crowd have, etc.

but it's ok keep denying basic human nature while even you only listened to rap music cause you thought it was an "in" group thing. support ukraine as well?

[AntonioJuraz]

to clarify; im actually saying that we're both right under certain conditions and this is what ive been saying the whole time. youre the only one who disagrees and keeps trying to implicitly insist im wrong about something

but you are not right cause you cannot simply change a person's opinion on something just cause you are rich, goodlooking or famous, to actually control and change their opinion you will need them to consciously affirm the opinion or idea continuously while having them deny any and all opposing opinions continuously. this is cult 101. think about how muslims agree that the penalty for leaving the religion is death, that is a conscious method used to solidify the religion in people. another example would be all the DEI stuff they do in workplaces now, making people consciously affirm ideas like all non-white people are victims, whiteness is bad, colonization is bad, saying blm is ok but saying white lives matter is racist, etc.

this is enough psychology and sociology 101 for you, you can pay me if you want to learn more.

[MysteriousWeeb420]

nah, being rich is a giga-failo. everyone envies the shit out of you, secretly thinks you don't deserve it and tries to take advantage of you.

[artisanalshitposter]

yes some stuff takes time, but at the end of the day you can turn any real life situation into a black or white question. you might of listened to the rap a bit, but at the end of the day you don't like it and eventually reverted back to your nature state in regards to it. there are a lot of physical factors involved as well.
-lol not really. what youre writing and your form of reasoning here demonstrates exactly why trying to distill any real life situation into a black and white question is a poor choice. I genuinely liked rap for awhile; I didnt exclusively listen to it, but I was ok with it and thought some of it sounded pretty cool and I listened to it for years after I stopped hanging out with my rich friend. this had less to do with wanting to fit into an 'in' group and more to do with the fact that my mind was opened to something due to the halo effect of my rich friend. the reality of the situation is more complicated than your arbitrary and artificial model of human psychology

you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you.
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:

"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."


but it's ok keep denying basic human nature while even you only listened to rap music cause you thought it was an "in" group thing. support ukraine as well?
-yup you continue to display your lack of comprehension here. I never denied your points, I did however say that the truth/reality encompasses what youre saying as well as what im saying. the fact that you think im completely disagreeing with you just demonstrates how low your comprehension is, even though ive spent the last couple of posts explicitly saying that youre right under certain circumstances. do you understand why distilling everything into black and white is a poor choice? it causes you to miss the nuance and sophistication of arguments

the greatest irony here is that youre basically agreeing with me after gradually walking back from your original points. ive stayed true to my original points, youve had to keep adjusting, backtracking and changing your arguments hahahah. once again, for whatever reasons, LMS can halo uncool things. case in point:

"cope, its really not that simple. take for instance if some guy is extremely autistic about classical music; if this guy is wealthy then all the sudden his autism about classical music looks extremely sophisticated and elegant whereas if the guy was middle class then he would just appear to be an over-obsessed weirdo

I can personally recall times where I thought something was lame (like rap music) but then some rich person I would be hanging out with would be listening to rap music and suddenly I would think rap music was much cooler than I previously thought it was, simply because it got haloed by being associated with a rich person"

nothing youve said disproved this (in fact just the opposite, youre trying to argue what ive been saying the entire time now). you just switched from saying that the halo effect is a deliberate ploy to gain access to resources to saying that its actually just some kind of hidden psychological desire to belong in the in group which drives the halo effect. you literally had to change your form of argument to try to prove your point which means that you were wrong

[artisanalshitposter]

nah, being rich is a giga-failo. everyone envies the shit out of you, secretly thinks you don't deserve it and tries to take advantage of you.

if being poor is a failo then how is being rich a failo as well? I feel like there is some grey area here, its not that simple. if being rich was a failo then that would mean its unattractive to women as well, and we know thats not true. what you describe sound more like disadvantages of being rich as opposed to being failos. still, I get your point

[AntonioJuraz]

yes some stuff takes time, but at the end of the day you can turn any real life situation into a black or white question. you might of listened to the rap a bit, but at the end of the day you don't like it and eventually reverted back to your nature state in regards to it. there are a lot of physical factors involved as well.
-lol not really. what youre writing and your form of reasoning here demonstrates exactly why trying to distill any real life situation into a black and white question is a poor choice. I genuinely liked rap for awhile; I didnt exclusively listen to it, but I was ok with it and thought some of it sounded pretty cool and I listened to it for years after I stopped hanging out with my rich friend. this had less to do with wanting to fit into an 'in' group and more to do with the fact that my mind was opened to something due to the halo effect of my rich friend. the reality of the situation is more complicated than your arbitrary and artificial model of human psychology

you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you.
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:

"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."


but it's ok keep denying basic human nature while even you only listened to rap music cause you thought it was an "in" group thing. support ukraine as well?
-yup you continue to display your lack of comprehension here. I never denied your points, I did however say that the truth/reality encompasses what youre saying as well as what im saying. the fact that you think im completely disagreeing with you just demonstrates how low your comprehension is, even though ive spent the last couple of posts explicitly saying that youre right under certain circumstances. do you understand why distilling everything into black and white is a poor choice? it causes you to miss the nuance and sophistication of arguments

the greatest irony here is that youre basically agreeing with me after gradually walking back from your original points. ive stayed true to my original points, youve had to keep adjusting, backtracking and changing your arguments hahahah. once again, for whatever reasons, LMS can halo uncool things. case in point:

"cope, its really not that simple. take for instance if some guy is extremely autistic about classical music; if this guy is wealthy then all the sudden his autism about classical music looks extremely sophisticated and elegant whereas if the guy was middle class then he would just appear to be an over-obsessed weirdo

I can personally recall times where I thought something was lame (like rap music) but then some rich person I would be hanging out with would be listening to rap music and suddenly I would think rap music was much cooler than I previously thought it was, simply because it got haloed by being associated with a rich person"

nothing youve said disproved this (in fact just the opposite, youre trying to argue what ive been saying the entire time now). you just switched from saying that the halo effect is a deliberate ploy to gain access to resources to saying that its actually just some kind of hidden psychological desire to belong in the in group which drives the halo effect. you literally had to change your form of argument to try to prove your point which means that you were wrong

nice reply skills.

anyways you are wrong cause to actually make them change their tastes like i said in my next post after that one, you need to make them consciously affirm the thing. in your case with the rap music its the listening of the rap music with your rich friend and even alone. once you stopped listening to the rap music, you stopped consciously affirming the idea / opinion, you stopped thinking it was cool. go read up on cults and how they operate, there is a reason they brand people and put blindfolds on them and make them recite oaths that revealing the cult secrets means death.

[artisanalshitposter]

yes some stuff takes time, but at the end of the day you can turn any real life situation into a black or white question. you might of listened to the rap a bit, but at the end of the day you don't like it and eventually reverted back to your nature state in regards to it. there are a lot of physical factors involved as well.
-lol not really. what youre writing and your form of reasoning here demonstrates exactly why trying to distill any real life situation into a black and white question is a poor choice. I genuinely liked rap for awhile; I didnt exclusively listen to it, but I was ok with it and thought some of it sounded pretty cool and I listened to it for years after I stopped hanging out with my rich friend. this had less to do with wanting to fit into an 'in' group and more to do with the fact that my mind was opened to something due to the halo effect of my rich friend. the reality of the situation is more complicated than your arbitrary and artificial model of human psychology

you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you.
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:

"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."


but it's ok keep denying basic human nature while even you only listened to rap music cause you thought it was an "in" group thing. support ukraine as well?
-yup you continue to display your lack of comprehension here. I never denied your points, I did however say that the truth/reality encompasses what youre saying as well as what im saying. the fact that you think im completely disagreeing with you just demonstrates how low your comprehension is, even though ive spent the last couple of posts explicitly saying that youre right under certain circumstances. do you understand why distilling everything into black and white is a poor choice? it causes you to miss the nuance and sophistication of arguments

the greatest irony here is that youre basically agreeing with me after gradually walking back from your original points. ive stayed true to my original points, youve had to keep adjusting, backtracking and changing your arguments hahahah. once again, for whatever reasons, LMS can halo uncool things. case in point:

"cope, its really not that simple. take for instance if some guy is extremely autistic about classical music; if this guy is wealthy then all the sudden his autism about classical music looks extremely sophisticated and elegant whereas if the guy was middle class then he would just appear to be an over-obsessed weirdo

I can personally recall times where I thought something was lame (like rap music) but then some rich person I would be hanging out with would be listening to rap music and suddenly I would think rap music was much cooler than I previously thought it was, simply because it got haloed by being associated with a rich person"

nothing youve said disproved this (in fact just the opposite, youre trying to argue what ive been saying the entire time now). you just switched from saying that the halo effect is a deliberate ploy to gain access to resources to saying that its actually just some kind of hidden psychological desire to belong in the in group which drives the halo effect. you literally had to change your form of argument to try to prove your point which means that you were wrong

nice reply skills.

anyways you are wrong cause to actually make them change their tastes like i said in my next post after that one, you need to make them consciously affirm the thing. in your case with the rap music its the listening of the rap music with your rich friend and even alone. once you stopped listening to the rap music, you stopped consciously affirming the idea / opinion, you stopped thinking it was cool. go read up on cults and how they operate, there is a reason they brand people and put blindfolds on them and make them recite oaths that revealing the cult secrets means death.

at least I replied to what you said. you didnt even reply to my points because you couldnt, you know that im right (especially the quote from you about women consciously lying about stuff). you just handwave it away lol

now youre creating yet more new arguments to patch up the holes in your old argument. now youre talking about conscious affirmation LOL. you simply cant accept the simple fact that people's tastes can be influenced by LMS. what im saying isnt even a controversial opinion yet youre still trying to arbitrarily qualify it and argue against it hahahah

[AntonioJuraz]

yes some stuff takes time, but at the end of the day you can turn any real life situation into a black or white question. you might of listened to the rap a bit, but at the end of the day you don't like it and eventually reverted back to your nature state in regards to it. there are a lot of physical factors involved as well.
-lol not really. what youre writing and your form of reasoning here demonstrates exactly why trying to distill any real life situation into a black and white question is a poor choice. I genuinely liked rap for awhile; I didnt exclusively listen to it, but I was ok with it and thought some of it sounded pretty cool and I listened to it for years after I stopped hanging out with my rich friend. this had less to do with wanting to fit into an 'in' group and more to do with the fact that my mind was opened to something due to the halo effect of my rich friend. the reality of the situation is more complicated than your arbitrary and artificial model of human psychology

you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you.
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:

"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."


but it's ok keep denying basic human nature while even you only listened to rap music cause you thought it was an "in" group thing. support ukraine as well?
-yup you continue to display your lack of comprehension here. I never denied your points, I did however say that the truth/reality encompasses what youre saying as well as what im saying. the fact that you think im completely disagreeing with you just demonstrates how low your comprehension is, even though ive spent the last couple of posts explicitly saying that youre right under certain circumstances. do you understand why distilling everything into black and white is a poor choice? it causes you to miss the nuance and sophistication of arguments

the greatest irony here is that youre basically agreeing with me after gradually walking back from your original points. ive stayed true to my original points, youve had to keep adjusting, backtracking and changing your arguments hahahah. once again, for whatever reasons, LMS can halo uncool things. case in point:

"cope, its really not that simple. take for instance if some guy is extremely autistic about classical music; if this guy is wealthy then all the sudden his autism about classical music looks extremely sophisticated and elegant whereas if the guy was middle class then he would just appear to be an over-obsessed weirdo

I can personally recall times where I thought something was lame (like rap music) but then some rich person I would be hanging out with would be listening to rap music and suddenly I would think rap music was much cooler than I previously thought it was, simply because it got haloed by being associated with a rich person"

nothing youve said disproved this (in fact just the opposite, youre trying to argue what ive been saying the entire time now). you just switched from saying that the halo effect is a deliberate ploy to gain access to resources to saying that its actually just some kind of hidden psychological desire to belong in the in group which drives the halo effect. you literally had to change your form of argument to try to prove your point which means that you were wrong

nice reply skills.

anyways you are wrong cause to actually make them change their tastes like i said in my next post after that one, you need to make them consciously affirm the thing. in your case with the rap music its the listening of the rap music with your rich friend and even alone. once you stopped listening to the rap music, you stopped consciously affirming the idea / opinion, you stopped thinking it was cool. go read up on cults and how they operate, there is a reason they brand people and put blindfolds on them and make them recite oaths that revealing the cult secrets means death.

at least I replied to what you said. you didnt even reply to my points because you couldnt, you know that im right (especially the quote from you about women consciously lying about stuff). you just handwave it away lol

now youre creating yet more new arguments to patch up the holes in your old argument. now youre talking about conscious affirmation LOL. you simply cant accept the simple fact that people's tastes can be influenced by LMS. what im saying isnt even a controversial opinion yet youre still trying to arbitrarily qualify it and argue against it hahahah

you are not saying anything, all you are saying is there are holes in my argument or that i am walking stuff back or that it's the same as what you said, when you are not even able to comprehend it. you start by saying the "in" group thing is conscious when it's not and now you say i am walking it back when i did not. you legit don't seem to understand what i am saying, and that's ok there are tons of idiots like you on this planet who can't understand basic human psychology and thus it can be used against you, which is why it's so sought out now in large companies.

[artisanalshitposter]

nice reply skills.

anyways you are wrong cause to actually make them change their tastes like i said in my next post after that one, you need to make them consciously affirm the thing. in your case with the rap music its the listening of the rap music with your rich friend and even alone. once you stopped listening to the rap music, you stopped consciously affirming the idea / opinion, you stopped thinking it was cool. go read up on cults and how they operate, there is a reason they brand people and put blindfolds on them and make them recite oaths that revealing the cult secrets means death.

at least I replied to what you said. you didnt even reply to my points because you couldnt, you know that im right (especially the quote from you about women consciously lying about stuff). you just handwave it away lol

now youre creating yet more new arguments to patch up the holes in your old argument. now youre talking about conscious affirmation LOL. you simply cant accept the simple fact that people's tastes can be influenced by LMS. what im saying isnt even a controversial opinion yet youre still trying to arbitrarily qualify it and argue against it hahahah

you are not saying anything, all you are saying is there are holes in my argument or that i am walking stuff back or that it's the same as what you said, when you are not even able to comprehend it. you start by saying the "in" group thing is conscious when it's not and now you say i am walking it back when i did not. you legit don't seem to understand what i am saying, and that's ok there are tons of idiots like you on this planet who can't understand basic human psychology and thus it can be used against you, which is why it's so sought out now in large companies.

keep coping. everything I posted in my last response is legit, youre just obfuscating and dissembling at this point. thats why you wont address this:

"you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you."
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:

"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."

previously you were suggesting some sort of deliberate, intentional quality behind the haloing effect in order to gain favor and access to resources but now youre trying a different tack and trying to claim its all an unconscious attempt to join the in group or whatever. you literally switched your strategies once I knocked down your old arguments. thats why you wont address this specific quote of your own that I keep bringing up