[Aspie] can being wealthy turn failos into halos?

[artisanalshitposter]

you really don't understand, the "in" group thing is subconscious such as your high opinion of your rich friend which makes you want to appear more like them and have them consider you one of them, while the lying is a conscious affirmation like how you would say 10 years ago to your friend "that's some cool rap music".

you really don't seem to understand this. if your friend was just some random not rich guy, you probably wouldn't have pretended to like rap music, cause you don't consider them a top "in" group member. like i said explaining this to an idiot is a waste of my time, you clearly don't seem to understand the difference between subconscious (rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them!) and consciously ("yea that's come cool music you listen to", actually listening to the music, saying a catchphrase like "black lives matter")

its actually really easy to understand, youre just trying to use academic theory to overcomplicate a simple concept. my argument has always been that LMS can halo things. this is not a controversial statement at all. I never made any claims about the how or why this happens, I just stated that LMS can halo various things. youre trying to create an argument out of nothing, I have no idea what point youre even trying to make anymore (in the context of the original point of this thread). my original point was:

LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things
LMS can halo things

whats there to argue about?

your examples, saying that being rich and autist about something will be seen as a positive trait vs poor with the same trait when in reality they are both seen as bad traits but people will put up with the bad trait or idea in order to further their own social status.

that rich autistic guy in classical music will still have people talk about him badly due to his autism they just won't do it around him or in public settings where he might learn they said something bad about him.

now if he had everyone say every day "being autistic in classical music is really cool" for years on end, he might finally convince them that it's a positive trait but just being rich or good looking or high status along with a negative trait won't magically make the negative trait positive in other people's eyes.

yup and you demonstrate my point. youre claiming that the in group thing is happening subconsciously: 

"rich person cool! i want to be more like them! i want them to like me! i will copy them! "

so in actuality people would be haloing the rich classical music guy without even realizing it as you implied with the quote above. youre trying to randomly argue than people are just being superficially nice to him but again, this is an arbitrary statement, youre just pulling this out of nowhere. the same with the second statement about him conditioning people in some fashion, this is another completely arbitrary statement youre making

the truth is, there are various traits which are kind of grey; as in they could be seen as either positive or negative depending on the situation (like being autistic about classical music); for these kinds of traits they can be a halo or a failo depending on LMS. this is what ive been saying the entire time, youre trying to create an argument out of nothing. you arbitrarily identified this as a "bad" trait:

"your examples, saying that being rich and autist about something will be seen as a positive trait vs poor with the same trait when in reality they are both seen as bad traits but people will put up with the bad trait or idea in order to further their own social status."

when actually the thing about being autistic about classical music is a neutral/grey trait. your logic would apply to something unambiguously cringe like being a bronie or liking hentai, but if its something more neutral like really liking classical music then its not as easy to make this kind of blanket statement, which again is what ive been saying this whole time. you just choose to arbitrarily oversimplify things and try to push through your theory when the reality is more complex than what you perceive

what you write demonstrates the dangers of adopting an overly theoretical frame of mind; youre losing touch with what actually happens in reality. to reiterate the rap example again:

1.I had a rich friend I hung out with once in a blue moon

2.he listened to some rap and I thought it was cool (halo effect), so I started listening to it some too

3.I knew this guy for years but only hung out with him like 2-3 times in total; there was hardly any time for this bogus arbitrary conditioning effect youre talking about to take place. 

you make way too many assumptions about how people think and you try to force a square peg into a round hole with your psychological theories. IRL things happen much more fluidly and without all these different steps you keep talking about