18-10-2022, 01:55 AM
(18-10-2022, 01:51 AM)AntonioJuraz Wrote:(18-10-2022, 01:37 AM)artisanalshitposter Wrote:(18-10-2022, 01:03 AM)AntonioJuraz Wrote: yes some stuff takes time, but at the end of the day you can turn any real life situation into a black or white question. you might of listened to the rap a bit, but at the end of the day you don't like it and eventually reverted back to your nature state in regards to it. there are a lot of physical factors involved as well.
-lol not really. what youre writing and your form of reasoning here demonstrates exactly why trying to distill any real life situation into a black and white question is a poor choice. I genuinely liked rap for awhile; I didnt exclusively listen to it, but I was ok with it and thought some of it sounded pretty cool and I listened to it for years after I stopped hanging out with my rich friend. this had less to do with wanting to fit into an 'in' group and more to do with the fact that my mind was opened to something due to the halo effect of my rich friend. the reality of the situation is more complicated than your arbitrary and artificial model of human psychology
you are the one who puts words into my mouth like that is it conscious and i simply corrected you.
-hahahah no you clearly implied it, there is no other way to interpret this. you are clearly talking about deliberate action here:
"you don't seem to understand that people especially women lie all the time and will lie to a rich guy or a good looking guy about thinking something is cool when in reality they are just trying to gain favor."
but it's ok keep denying basic human nature while even you only listened to rap music cause you thought it was an "in" group thing. support ukraine as well?
-yup you continue to display your lack of comprehension here. I never denied your points, I did however say that the truth/reality encompasses what youre saying as well as what im saying. the fact that you think im completely disagreeing with you just demonstrates how low your comprehension is, even though ive spent the last couple of posts explicitly saying that youre right under certain circumstances. do you understand why distilling everything into black and white is a poor choice? it causes you to miss the nuance and sophistication of arguments
the greatest irony here is that youre basically agreeing with me after gradually walking back from your original points. ive stayed true to my original points, youve had to keep adjusting, backtracking and changing your arguments hahahah. once again, for whatever reasons, LMS can halo uncool things. case in point:
"cope, its really not that simple. take for instance if some guy is extremely autistic about classical music; if this guy is wealthy then all the sudden his autism about classical music looks extremely sophisticated and elegant whereas if the guy was middle class then he would just appear to be an over-obsessed weirdo
I can personally recall times where I thought something was lame (like rap music) but then some rich person I would be hanging out with would be listening to rap music and suddenly I would think rap music was much cooler than I previously thought it was, simply because it got haloed by being associated with a rich person"
nothing youve said disproved this (in fact just the opposite, youre trying to argue what ive been saying the entire time now). you just switched from saying that the halo effect is a deliberate ploy to gain access to resources to saying that its actually just some kind of hidden psychological desire to belong in the in group which drives the halo effect. you literally had to change your form of argument to try to prove your point which means that you were wrong
nice reply skills.
anyways you are wrong cause to actually make them change their tastes like i said in my next post after that one, you need to make them consciously affirm the thing. in your case with the rap music its the listening of the rap music with your rich friend and even alone. once you stopped listening to the rap music, you stopped consciously affirming the idea / opinion, you stopped thinking it was cool. go read up on cults and how they operate, there is a reason they brand people and put blindfolds on them and make them recite oaths that revealing the cult secrets means death.
at least I replied to what you said. you didnt even reply to my points because you couldnt, you know that im right (especially the quote from you about women consciously lying about stuff). you just handwave it away lol
now youre creating yet more new arguments to patch up the holes in your old argument. now youre talking about conscious affirmation LOL. you simply cant accept the simple fact that people's tastes can be influenced by LMS. what im saying isnt even a controversial opinion yet youre still trying to arbitrarily qualify it and argue against it hahahah
