17-06-2022, 06:51 PM
[b]THE TRINITY[/b]
there cannot be more than one necassery,infinite and perfect being.'existance' and 'being' are ontologically one.and God is true being and existance itself.difference would mean limitation in and through a accidental attribute,wich God can not have .if the component of difference is necassery then there would be collapse of the persons,as all of them would have it and they would be self-same(there can be no internal difference in a necassery being basically).
there are basically two models of the Trinity:Social Trinitarianism and the Latin eternal modalism.
the former is that God is one being in a generic sense,not actual one.if it were actual,it would be modalism and there would be collapse of the persons since their 'differentiating' factor would be necassery,all would have it and they would not be differentiated.
the trinity doctrine is either logically tritheistic(Social Trinitarians like alvin platinga,big o Orthodox) or modalistic(like the Latins),both wich collapse into pure monotheism with even the most remote of analysis and logic.
you either have one numerical being and thus having three modes of that being,intellect and will like the Latins say,or one generic being and three persons wich is 3 necassery beings in a actual sense,wich would collapse into monotheism just like the former model and is just Tritheism(Because a infinite being cannot have limiting differentiating factors,if the difference is necassery all of them have it and the factor makes the 3 beings self-same in every and in an absolute sense,if the differentiating factor is accidental,then if one doesn't have it that is the only True God and the others are created because they are not necassery,if all of them have this accidental differentiating and limiting factor all of them are created and it leads to Atheism).
the Yandellian model also doesn't help because three necassery beings cannot be interdependant and be necassery,and if they were necassery but three the problems with distinction being necassery or accidental would again,compromize their distinction or just lead to atheism by all of them being created beings,or 2 of them being so(so it leads to Unitarianism).
basically there is only atheism or unitarianism as an option in bringing the various trinitarian presuppositions to their logical conclusion.
to be God is to be self-sufficient and Ase,and uncaused.also timeless causation is impossible so the son and spirit would be created at a point in time.
In order for person B to be distinct from person A as a necessity for its existence, then A must have the opposite .
if it has the opposite,then one of them is not purely necassery and it would be a accidental property that differs B from A..if they all differ from each other through a necassery property of distinction,then and the two would not be distinguished after all as I said.this is Basic Liebnizian identity and thus
if something possesses all the same attributes then it is totally self-same and one.
Relations presuppose relata. there can’t be a relation without relata to stand in the relation. Now, the relations amongst the persons in the trinity are not merely reflexive relations. For instance, presumably nothing can ‘beget’, ‘generate’, or ‘spirate’ itself, for that would seem to require itself to be both prior and posterior to itself, which is false.
if relations presuppose relata, and the relata aren’t reflexive, then there are three, non-identical, distinct things standing in these various relations. Given there are three, distinct, non-identical things, the only way they could be distinct is if they each have features/attributes that the others lack(Accidents,contingencies).
And that, again, is incompatible with a purely necassery being who is necassery being itself. what differs persons in contigent world is time,place,distinct bodies etc all accidental and contigent properties,wich a necassery being cannot have.
[b]THE INCARNATION[/b]
similarly,God cannot 'become 'man or be hungry,thirsty and exhausted like Jesus in the gospels since he is ase and self-sufficient.accidents,like is required of humanity,cannot be predicated to a divine person or essence through union with humanity.the christians assert that the Self-sufficient God in need of nothing,'could do nothing of his own','did not know the hour'and got hungry,thirsty and tired.
'but that was only in his human nature!'yes,but I am saying that God cannot have accidental limiting qualities as he is a necassery infinite being meaning he cannot take on a human nature in the first place,and to divide the natures like this is nestorianism and makes christ two minds or two persons basically.
Christ being one divine person with a human nature in your view,ceased to be God,could not take on a human nature because he was necassery and infinite,and his limiting accidental qualities of humanity were predicated to his necassery and infinite and self-sufficient divine essence and personhood wich is impossible(he got hungry,tired,thirsty,suffered and 'could do nothing on his own'.)
also the incarnation seems logically impossible because of being impossible to be two opposing things at once(God and man) unless you are two different beings,and thus persons.
if God has a 'place'he is limited by that place.
there cannot be more than one necassery,infinite and perfect being.'existance' and 'being' are ontologically one.and God is true being and existance itself.difference would mean limitation in and through a accidental attribute,wich God can not have .if the component of difference is necassery then there would be collapse of the persons,as all of them would have it and they would be self-same(there can be no internal difference in a necassery being basically).
there are basically two models of the Trinity:Social Trinitarianism and the Latin eternal modalism.
the former is that God is one being in a generic sense,not actual one.if it were actual,it would be modalism and there would be collapse of the persons since their 'differentiating' factor would be necassery,all would have it and they would not be differentiated.
the trinity doctrine is either logically tritheistic(Social Trinitarians like alvin platinga,big o Orthodox) or modalistic(like the Latins),both wich collapse into pure monotheism with even the most remote of analysis and logic.
you either have one numerical being and thus having three modes of that being,intellect and will like the Latins say,or one generic being and three persons wich is 3 necassery beings in a actual sense,wich would collapse into monotheism just like the former model and is just Tritheism(Because a infinite being cannot have limiting differentiating factors,if the difference is necassery all of them have it and the factor makes the 3 beings self-same in every and in an absolute sense,if the differentiating factor is accidental,then if one doesn't have it that is the only True God and the others are created because they are not necassery,if all of them have this accidental differentiating and limiting factor all of them are created and it leads to Atheism).
the Yandellian model also doesn't help because three necassery beings cannot be interdependant and be necassery,and if they were necassery but three the problems with distinction being necassery or accidental would again,compromize their distinction or just lead to atheism by all of them being created beings,or 2 of them being so(so it leads to Unitarianism).
basically there is only atheism or unitarianism as an option in bringing the various trinitarian presuppositions to their logical conclusion.
to be God is to be self-sufficient and Ase,and uncaused.also timeless causation is impossible so the son and spirit would be created at a point in time.
In order for person B to be distinct from person A as a necessity for its existence, then A must have the opposite .
if it has the opposite,then one of them is not purely necassery and it would be a accidental property that differs B from A..if they all differ from each other through a necassery property of distinction,then and the two would not be distinguished after all as I said.this is Basic Liebnizian identity and thus
if something possesses all the same attributes then it is totally self-same and one.
Relations presuppose relata. there can’t be a relation without relata to stand in the relation. Now, the relations amongst the persons in the trinity are not merely reflexive relations. For instance, presumably nothing can ‘beget’, ‘generate’, or ‘spirate’ itself, for that would seem to require itself to be both prior and posterior to itself, which is false.
if relations presuppose relata, and the relata aren’t reflexive, then there are three, non-identical, distinct things standing in these various relations. Given there are three, distinct, non-identical things, the only way they could be distinct is if they each have features/attributes that the others lack(Accidents,contingencies).
And that, again, is incompatible with a purely necassery being who is necassery being itself. what differs persons in contigent world is time,place,distinct bodies etc all accidental and contigent properties,wich a necassery being cannot have.
[b]THE INCARNATION[/b]
similarly,God cannot 'become 'man or be hungry,thirsty and exhausted like Jesus in the gospels since he is ase and self-sufficient.accidents,like is required of humanity,cannot be predicated to a divine person or essence through union with humanity.the christians assert that the Self-sufficient God in need of nothing,'could do nothing of his own','did not know the hour'and got hungry,thirsty and tired.
'but that was only in his human nature!'yes,but I am saying that God cannot have accidental limiting qualities as he is a necassery infinite being meaning he cannot take on a human nature in the first place,and to divide the natures like this is nestorianism and makes christ two minds or two persons basically.
Christ being one divine person with a human nature in your view,ceased to be God,could not take on a human nature because he was necassery and infinite,and his limiting accidental qualities of humanity were predicated to his necassery and infinite and self-sufficient divine essence and personhood wich is impossible(he got hungry,tired,thirsty,suffered and 'could do nothing on his own'.)
also the incarnation seems logically impossible because of being impossible to be two opposing things at once(God and man) unless you are two different beings,and thus persons.
if God has a 'place'he is limited by that place.
