22-11-2025, 11:51 AM
(22-11-2025, 11:33 AM)Altruist Wrote: this is exactly what pseudo intellectualism looks like. you spam facts, but fail to acknowledge the most notorious relevant one - that ancient rome = italy for 100% of people in the big picture
p. s. i know more about the roman empire alone than you do about your own country, but thanks for schooling me on this. amazing insight
Never claimed otherwise, today people might consider ancient rome = italy but prior to 1861 nobody considered that land as the successor of ancient Rome. The country (not the nation state) of Italy started at the Rubicon river and ended at Calabria, this leaves out the North and Sicily, both which was much more similiar to Western Europe and Northern Africa respectively. Italy is a fake and unorganic country is what I'm saying
By the way it's worth mentioning that even in the Republican Rome the native Italians (samnites, umbrians, sabines, etruscans etc.) were perceived as aliens by the actual ethnic Romans, as the Romans traced their lineage back to the Trojan settlers in Alba Longa and saw themselves as foreign settlers on Latium and all of Italy. Of course by the Imperial age the senate started handing out citizenship to every rich foreigner inside the empire so their citizenship stopped being an ethnic one, so the name of "Roman" was rendered worthless
