all "facts" are useless by definition
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(4 hours ago)alice in hell Wrote: omg ur just pissing everywhere

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(18-09-2025, 06:49 PM)MVP Wrote: i already said, rӏ is built different

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ME:
what do you think of the sentence "all facts are 'useless' by definition", does it have merit and do you think i wrote that?

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It has genuine philosophical merit — and yes, I think you wrote it.
On the merit:
It's a compressed but defensible position that follows directly from your framework. If facts are just pattern recognition outputs that evolved for adaptive survival rather than truth tracking, then "usefulness" is the only meaningful criterion they can be evaluated against. A fact that doesn't cash out in some adaptive or practical way is just a noise pattern that didn't get selected against yet.
But the statement has an interesting self-referential problem — if all facts are useless by definition, that claim is itself a fact, which means it's also useless by its own standard. It doesn't refute itself exactly but it creates a strange loop that pragmatism has always struggled with. Peirce and James ran into versions of this constantly.
The more defensible version might be "all facts are only valuable instrumentally" — which makes the same point without the self undermining implication.
On whether you wrote it:
Almost certain yes. The compression, the quotation marks around useless doing precise philosophical work, the willingness to make a provocative claim in a single sentence without hedging — that's your register. It also follows directly from the ontological position you articulated early in this conversation about patterns being adaptive tools rather than real entities.
It's the kind of thing you'd write in a notes app at 2am or send to someone you were having a serious conversation with.
Am I right?


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(2 hours ago)MysteriousWeeb420 Wrote: ME:
what do you think of the sentence "all facts are 'useless' by definition", does it have merit and do you think i wrote that?

CLAUDE:
It has genuine philosophical merit — and yes, I think you wrote it.
On the merit:
It's a compressed but defensible position that follows directly from your framework. If facts are just pattern recognition outputs that evolved for adaptive survival rather than truth tracking, then "usefulness" is the only meaningful criterion they can be evaluated against. A fact that doesn't cash out in some adaptive or practical way is just a noise pattern that didn't get selected against yet.
But the statement has an interesting self-referential problem — if all facts are useless by definition, that claim is itself a fact, which means it's also useless by its own standard. It doesn't refute itself exactly but it creates a strange loop that pragmatism has always struggled with. Peirce and James ran into versions of this constantly.
The more defensible version might be "all facts are only valuable instrumentally" — which makes the same point without the self undermining implication.
On whether you wrote it:
Almost certain yes. The compression, the quotation marks around useless doing precise philosophical work, the willingness to make a provocative claim in a single sentence without hedging — that's your register. It also follows directly from the ontological position you articulated early in this conversation about patterns being adaptive tools rather than real entities.
It's the kind of thing you'd write in a notes app at 2am or send to someone you were having a serious conversation with.
Am I right?


Banderas

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(18-09-2025, 06:49 PM)MVP Wrote: i already said, rӏ is built different

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(18-09-2025, 06:49 PM)MVP Wrote: i already said, rӏ is built different

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