in ancient greece a boy could no longer be an eronemos

[slop slinger]

after he grew a beard

the moment he did, he had to be discarded.

the poet strato, in one poem, compared when a young man grows hair on his ass as a "declaration of war against his cock"

[RetrudedMaxilla]

why did the ancient greeks understand the value of fucking cute boys? if only we could adopt the same mindset today.

inform me. you know a lot about this.

[brocode]

i dont get it

why didnt they just have their wives shave their pussy instead of going after guys who couldnt grow pubic hair

[RetrudedMaxilla]

i dont get it

why didnt they just have their wives shave their pussy instead of going after guys who couldnt grow pubic hair

pussy is not aesthetic

[brocode]

i dont get it

why didnt they just have their wives shave their pussy instead of going after guys who couldnt grow pubic hair

pussy is not aesthetic

what they were after is the comfort of pubic hair not getting in their way (as per my inference from this thread), why did they have to go for guys who couldnt grow pubic hair

i dont get it

i get it if it was a natural homosexual attraction, that cant be helped, but this sounds redundant

[fdeshieldplus]

why did the ancient greeks understand the value of fucking cute boys? if only we could adopt the same mindset today.

inform me. you know a lot about this.

they didn't, they found it sick and disgusting. only some of the elites engaged in it

most of them rightly though they were fucking faggots:

[RetrudedMaxilla]

why did the ancient greeks understand the value of fucking cute boys? if only we could adopt the same mindset today.

inform me. you know a lot about this.

they didn't, they found it sick and disgusting. only some of the elites engaged in it

most of them rightly though they were fucking faggots:

[slop slinger]

why did the ancient greeks understand the value of fucking cute boys? if only we could adopt the same mindset today.

inform me. you know a lot about this.

it's nowhere near my area of scholarly expertise but I got into reading the literature on this a month or two ago because it makes me vaguely horny.

Some theories I encountered:
The greeks generally associated eros, learning, and philosophy. Theis association pervades Plato's dialgoues, even and esspecially about love for boys who are hot as shit.  In short, the run of it is this: when you're in love, you have trouble differentiating yourself from the person you are in love with. You take on their personality, mannerisms, you try to sympathisze with them and mirror them, intuit their emotional states and whatnot. Their desires become your own desires in ways that you don't get with regular friendships. You can see then, how this could be a good context for pedagogy. To put it crudely, if you are in love with your teacher, you will more exactly repeat them. Therefore, the pederastic scenario presented a good way to create such an ideal pedagogical relationship between older and yougnger men and train the next generation of men to run the society. They found it important to have a man that was not your father teach boys how to be men. In the ideal pederastic situation, the older partner, the erastes, was a man of marriagiable age (i.e. above 25) and a highly respected man of the community and who was both strong and smart. Basically, what the society wanted every man to be. The younger partner was beautiful as shit so could make the erastes horny in both physically but also in some batshit metaphysical way.  the older one would approach the younger one in gymnasiums (where everyone was naked) and begin courting them. The younger one was expected to play hard to get and the older one was expected to respect their sexual propriety by not fucking their ass or mouth. Faggotry was not seen as a bad thing in and of itself, but getting penetrated was, it was ok to get fucked if you were a slave but not an upper class eronemos. But this is just ideal scenarios depicted on vases, poetry, and philosophical tracts. In reality fucking of that sort was more common if not talked about as openly.
 
Foucault suggested they attached some metaphysical value of inseminating a young man since they would gain the older partner's manliness via the sperm, so was a symbolic way of giving them your strength and intelligence. He thought Greeks were obsessed with penetration. Although in my survey it didn't seem this view was as widely held among classics scholars.

Its also not nearly as  pedophilic as many make it out to be. the eronemos was the age of what most age of consent laws are in europe today (usually 13 or 14 mininum). Honestly, i dont think the desire for this kind of relationship went away. it still exists in the widespread fantasy about coaches fucking their players. It only becomes especially taboo when the modern day erastes is ugly. Then we treat him like we treat ugly guys who try to hit on women. and for good reason. i don't want ugly people to have sex. with hot legal boys or anyone else.


Also this is what Oscar Wilde said about it during his trial for being a sodomite faggot

"The Love that dare not speak its name" in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare.  It is that deep, spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect.  It dictates and pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are.  It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the "Love that dare not speak its name," and on account of it I am placed where I am now.  It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection.  There is nothing unnatural about it.  It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him.  That it should be so the world does not understand.  The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it. (Loud applause, mingled with some hisses.)

Anyway, I fucking hate faggotry but i love hot legal teen ass

[slop slinger]

also the scholarly consensus is divided on whether it was associated with the elite or whether the majority of society partook in it. Although my intuition is that those who say it was restricted to the elite without appropriate evidence are just banking on the age old cliché about the elite having bizarre sexual tastes and the Common Folks having "normal" ones

Every city state in greece practiced it to some extent in contrast to the mid 20th century view that thought it was restricted to Athens and only at its height. They were so preoccupied with dunking on fag rights movements that they thought such movments had anything to do with the sexy as fuck shit ancient greeks were doing

[Altruist]

using "scholarly" when discussing child-fucking is nothing but heresy

[slop slinger]

i dont get it

why didnt they just have their wives shave their pussy instead of going after guys who couldnt grow pubic hair

because sex with women is just to reproduce and according to many poets from the time women did not invoke the same intensity of desire, a desire they associated with philosophy,  religious ritual, and education

[slop slinger]

using "scholarly" when discussing child-fucking is nothing but heresy

weren't children. please read a book.

[RetrudedMaxilla]

why did the ancient greeks understand the value of fucking cute boys? if only we could adopt the same mindset today.

inform me. you know a lot about this.

it's nowhere near my area of scholarly expertise but I got into reading the literature on this a month or two ago because it makes me vaguely horny.

Some theories I encountered:
The greeks generally associated eros, learning, and philosophy. Theis association pervades Plato's dialgoues, even and esspecially about love for boys who are hot as shit.  In short, the run of it is this: when you're in love, you have trouble differentiating yourself from the person you are in love with. You take on their personality, mannerisms, you try to sympathisze with them and mirror them, intuit their emotional states and whatnot. Their desires become your own desires in ways that you don't get with regular friendships. You can see then, how this could be a good context for pedagogy. To put it crudely, if you are in love with your teacher, you will more exactly repeat them. Therefore, the pederastic scenario presented a good way to create such an ideal pedagogical relationship between older and yougnger men and train the next generation of men to run the society. They found it important to have a man that was not your father teach boys how to be men. In the ideal pederastic situation, the older partner, the erastes, was a man of marriagiable age (i.e. above 25) and a highly respected man of the community and who was both strong and smart. Basically, what the society wanted every man to be. The younger partner was beautiful as shit so could make the erastes horny in both physically but also in some batshit metaphysical way.  the older one would approach the younger one in gymnasiums (where everyone was naked) and begin courting them. The younger one was expected to play hard to get and the older one was expected to respect their sexual propriety by not fucking their ass or mouth. Faggotry was not seen as a bad thing in and of itself, but getting penetrated was, it was ok to get fucked if you were a slave but not an upper class eronemos. But this is just ideal scenarios depicted on vases, poetry, and philosophical tracts. In reality fucking of that sort was more common if not talked about as openly.
 
Foucault suggested they attached some metaphysical value of inseminating a young man since they would gain the older partner's manliness via the sperm, so was a symbolic way of giving them your strength and intelligence. He thought Greeks were obsessed with penetration. Although in my survey it didn't seem this view was as widely held among classics scholars.

Its also not nearly as  pedophilic as many make it out to be. the eronemos was the age of what most age of consent laws are in europe today (usually 13 or 14 mininum). Honestly, i dont think the desire for this kind of relationship went away. it still exists in the widespread fantasy about coaches fucking their players. It only becomes especially taboo when the modern day erastes is ugly. Then we treat him like we treat ugly guys who try to hit on women. and for good reason. i don't want ugly people to have sex. with hot legal boys or anyone else.


Also this is what Oscar Wilde said about it during his trial for being a sodomite faggot

"The Love that dare not speak its name" in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare.  It is that deep, spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect.  It dictates and pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are.  It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the "Love that dare not speak its name," and on account of it I am placed where I am now.  It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection.  There is nothing unnatural about it.  It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him.  That it should be so the world does not understand.  The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it. (Loud applause, mingled with some hisses.)

Anyway, I fucking hate faggotry but i love hot legal teen ass

it's a higher pleasure for sure. wilde truly is one of the greats. being a faggot is wrong, but the love shared between a man and a 8/10 psl prettyboy (below the age of 18) is the purest form.

and foucault being a degenerate faggot as usual.

[Altruist]

using "scholarly" when discussing child-fucking is nothing but heresy

weren't children. please read a book.

i read books, just not those dealing with old abominations fucking 13 yo boys

- my pet

[slop slinger]

using "scholarly" when discussing child-fucking is nothing but heresy

weren't children. please read a book.

i read books, just not those dealing with old abominations fucking 13 yo boys

- my pet

you clearly haven'tt read if you think old abominations are the ones doing that.

it was the paragons of the community doing that. it was the chads.

other men, such as the, uh, aforementioned ABOMINATIONS, had to settle for, uh, *checks notes*, women