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(16-01-2026, 12:13 PM)Dreckssau Wrote: I find Jonathan Pageaus a bit annoying. He looks like Peterson's lapdog.
jonathan and matthieu are way above peterson, their understanding of the world is amazing tbh
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(16-01-2026, 03:37 PM)friedrich_neet Wrote: jonathan and matthieu are way above peterson, their understanding of the world is amazing tbh
I think Peterson has some value. He is a good and clear writer. His "judeo-christianity" is cringe, ofc.
What type of things do these two write about?
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(16-01-2026, 04:17 PM)Dreckssau Wrote: I think Peterson has some value. He is a good and clear writer. His "judeo-christianity" is cringe, ofc.
What type of things do these two write about?
its mainly matthieu that you will read, jonathan is more of a speaker, his videos are good too but without matthieus main book you may be lost. in matthieu pageaus book he describes a few patterns that repeat throughout the bible and he explains the symbolism behind it, which may mark your vision
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(16-01-2026, 04:23 PM)friedrich_neet Wrote: its mainly matthieu that you will read, jonathan is more of a speaker, his videos are good too but without matthieus main book you may be lost. in matthieu pageaus book he describes a few patterns that repeat throughout the bible and he explains the symbolism behind it, which may mark your vision
What do you think of Bishop Williamson?
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(16-01-2026, 04:31 PM)Dreckssau Wrote: What do you think of Bishop Williamson?
he makes a good observation
Christ has taken the value of the sacrificial, but they keep trying to impose themselves as martyrs, and their martyrdom is untrue.
for modern protestants, israel is the lamb that has been sacrificed and resurrected through wwii and so they worship it as if it were a golden calf
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Quote:Chapter 36
Time As Mixture and Space As Purity
He restrains the waters, and they dry out [purity]; he unleashes them,
and they overturn the earth [mixture].
There are deep connections between the concepts of ‘space’
and purity as well as ‘time’ and impurity. However, to fully appreciate
these connections, it is necessary to distinguish between ancient and
scientific concepts of change. These distinctions are needed because
materialism has created a notion of change that includes any type of
modification. Conversely, in non-materialistic cosmologies, there is a
fundamental difference between transformation and formation. The
first is synonymous with the ancient notion of change while the second
could easily be considered the opposite of change.
As illustrated above, formation is a process by which an identity
produces “more of itself and less of the other” by integrating matter.
Like the growth of a tree, this process begins with a singular identity
(seed) that expands into a coherent structure. This is not change in
the ancient sense of transformation, a process that creates “less of
115 itself and more of the other.” Simply stated, change means turning
something into something else, whereas formation means producing a
greater version of something.1 Once these distinctions are understood,
the connections between purity and spatial stability become obvious.
In this context, remaining pure simply implies “staying oneself” by only
integrating elements that correctly support the identity. Conversely,
impurity implies incorporating elements that remain foreign to the
communal identity. Naturally, the reiteration of this process leads to
less of oneself and more of the other, which is the very definition of
change in the sense of transformation.
According to these definitions, the practice of purity is synony-
mous with influences of stability or ‘space,’ and the practice of impurity
is synonymous with influences of change or ‘time.’ Thus, in the Bible,
purity laws maintain the stability and familiarity of “the homeland.”
Conversely, transgressing these laws unleashes a series of transforma-
tions called “flooding the land” and “going into exile.” Thus, exile is not
an arbitrary punishment from God in biblical cosmology. It is simply the
logical consequence of transgressing the “laws of space” in favor of the
“laws of time.” This usually translates into transgressing purity laws in
favor of admixture at the human scale.
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Quote:Chapter 37
Time As Continuous and Space As Discrete
He restrains the waters, and they dry out [discrete]; he unleashes
them, and they overturn the earth [continuous].
In ancient cosmology, there were also important relationships
between the concepts of change and continuity as well as stability and
discontinuity.1 Although somewhat counterintuitive to modern sensi-
bilities, these connections can still be appreciated with the following
basic considerations:
1) In order to transform one thing into another, it must pass
through a series of intermediate states.
2) The more two things are different, the harder it will be to
transform one thing into the other.
Given these considerations, it is easier to understand that maximum
instability is achieved by inserting infinitely many intermediate states
between opposites, and maximum stability is achieved by removing all
intermediate states.
... Let there be an expanse between the waters, and let it separate
water from water ... Let the waters under the heavens be gathered to
one place, and let the dry land appear ... Let the earth grow seeding
herb and a tree bearing fruit of its kind with its seed in it. 1
This is clear in Zeno’s paradox, which considers change unreal because con-
tinuity is irrational. In general, the rivalry between Parmenides and Heraclitus is a
philosophical equivalent of the space-time duality in ancient cosmology. 117
With wisdom, the Lord founded the earth; with understanding, he
established the heavens; with his knowledge, the depths were split,
and the skies dropped the dew (Proverbs 3:19).
“Splitting waters” is the process by which certainty replaces
primitive confusion and instability. In this context, water symbolizes the
continuous medium of change, and dry land symbolizes stability and
discrete space. At the cosmic level, creating ‘space’ involves separat-
ing the following opposites: above from below, east from west, and
north from south. Moreover, these patterns are applied to all scales
of reality so that separating any two opposites may be considered an
act of “establishing space.” This includes separating things such as milk
from meat and linen from wool. On the other hand, confusing oppo-
sites and changing one opposite into another are acts of “summoning
time.” Such actions are strictly forbidden in Mosaic Law because they
are interpreted as catalysts of instability and transformation that could
eventually lead to exile and the flood.
Do not crossbreed your cattle with diverse species. Do not sow your
field with a mixture of seed. Do not wear clothing with a mixture of
diverse fabrics (Leviticus 19:19).
The reason why certain forms of hybridization were forbidden
in the Mosaic Law is that they symbolized the return of ambiguity and
confusion. For instance, crossbreeding is a process that creates more
and more intermediate states between species. This transforms ‘space’
into an increasingly continuous and unstable medium. Hence, mixing 118
different species was seen as a process of regression that returned cre-
ation to its primitive state of fluidity. In other words, hybridization was
interpreted as a cause of the deluge within the spiritual worldview.
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