[Theory] Bible vs Science

[10khitman]

@Honest

What are your scientific views? And why? 

i.e. young earth, theistic evolutionist, dating methods... etc...

do you have arguments against science or do u reconcile the Bible with science somehow?

There are some philosophical (and sometimes scientific) counterpoints I have against the most rigorous scientism and all their dating methods, anti-Noah theories, DNA sequences and abiogenesis etc, however the one singular issue to me left are fossil records. Are they just all fake? Or misunderstood?

I can imagine how they could be fake, I know the masonic history of Darwin and "make them a new religion" conspiracy etc... but how exactly does it work? Again, just fake? Or innaccurate?

This is the last bastion to me in my journey for truth. Otherwise all moral, theistic, historical, philosophical, scriptural and otherwise scientific issues are behind me.

[Honest]

Maybe people can remember that on lookism I used to be really into the idea of Darwinian evolution. After I became a Christian, I wasn't really concerned with trying to reconcile evolution with the Bible. But there reached a point when I decided to look into it, and I was pretty surprised to find that the evidence for Darwinian evolution and old earth to be seriously lacking.

I don't think it's a "conspiracy" as such; it's more that a secular, old-earth, Darwinian worldview makes people feel like they don't have to worry about the coming eternal judgement that they will face for their sins after their death. It's definitely a religion of sorts, which is why people get very upset when they face evidence that contradicts their position (undermines their faith in a system which tells them that they can continue to sin without consequences).

Although I don't think it's a super important issue, I decided to research more of it, and now I'm very much a YEC. We find that the great flood explains much more than secular science can in their old earth, Darwinian paradigm. 

Of course, the priority should be putting your faith in Christ for your salvation now.

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Regarding fossils... Under normal circumstances, creatures like jellyfish would decay rapidly. However, we find many creatures like jellyfish intact, showing that burial was rapid. Furthermore, there are many examples of fossils which show creatures eating, or mating, and even the footprints of the creatures, which show that their deaths were extremely rapid and were caused by a sudden burial under a large volume of sediment.

This requires a catastrophic event; specifically, it requires a global flood, which is capable of moving a large volume of sediment. You'll find fossils together in groups, called "fossil graveyards", showing that they were buried together at the same time, which is more evidence that a catastrophic flooding event is required.

The traditional secular narrative that creatures died and were slowly buried by layers of sediment makes little sense, because dead creatures will either be eaten or decay before they can be fully buried. It also completely fails to explain why we find petrified trees that go through multiple layers of sediment.

And we find soft tissue preserved in dinosaur bones; these are bones which are apparently 68 million years old. It is scientifically impossible for biological material (such as collagen and red blood cells) to be preserved for that long. After initially denying that this was possible, secular scientists are now forced to come up with new explanations as to why biological material was able to survive for this long, rather than admitting that they have been mistaken regarding the age of the bones.

[10khitman]

Maybe people can remember that on lookism I used to be really into the idea of Darwinian evolution. After I became a Christian, I wasn't really concerned with trying to reconcile evolution with the Bible. But there reached a point when I decided to look into it, and I was pretty surprised to find that the evidence for Darwinian evolution and old earth to be seriously lacking.

I don't think it's a "conspiracy" as such; it's more that a secular, old-earth, Darwinian worldview makes people feel like they don't have to worry about the coming eternal judgement that they will face for their sins after their death. It's definitely a religion of sorts, which is why people get very upset when they face evidence that contradicts their position (undermines their faith in a system which tells them that they can continue to sin without consequences).

Although I don't think it's a super important issue, I decided to research more of it, and now I'm very much a YEC. We find that the great flood explains much more than secular science can in their old earth, Darwinian paradigm. 

Of course, the priority should be putting your faith in Christ for your salvation now.

...

Regarding fossils... Under normal circumstances, creatures like jellyfish would decay rapidly. However, we find many creatures like jellyfish intact, showing that burial was rapid. Furthermore, there are many examples of fossils which show creatures eating, or mating, and even the footprints of the creatures, which show that their deaths were extremely rapid and were caused by a sudden burial under a large volume of sediment.

This requires a catastrophic event; specifically, it requires a global flood, which is capable of moving a large volume of sediment. You'll find fossils together in groups, called "fossil graveyards", showing that they were buried together at the same time, which is more evidence that a catastrophic flooding event is required.

The traditional secular narrative that creatures died and were slowly buried by layers of sediment makes little sense, because dead creatures will either be eaten or decay before they can be fully buried. It also completely fails to explain why we find petrified trees that go through multiple layers of sediment.

And we find soft tissue preserved in dinosaur bones; these are bones which are apparently 68 million years old. It is scientifically impossible for biological material (such as collagen and red blood cells) to be preserved for that long. After initially denying that this was possible, secular scientists are now forced to come up with new explanations as to why biological material was able to survive for this long, rather than admitting that they have been mistaken regarding the age of the bones.

Bro you are a different breed.


Its funny, Ive spent the last 3 days watching all the atheist science content possible, AKA only seeing their perspective destroying "creationists" and they still couldnt convince me. And after researching this just now its hilarious that nobody has even mentioned this issue, I wonder how many others there are out there that are hidden? 

This seems like the only channel that actually has unchallenged evidence. Most creationist channels I find just repeat old talking points that get debunked relatively easily, unfortunately, but I wonder now if those are psyops repeating intentionally pointless information just to get debunked and make atheist evolutionism seem more legitimate?

If I can just find some creationist counter points against hominid transitional fossils, I can finally throw science into the past

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

Many edgelords try to interpret science as a guide for a living. Science is about discovering natural world, upgrades in medicine and industry etc. Bible is a testimony in time and shows how thing will end up but it is harmonious with facts.

[10khitman]

Many edgelords try to interpret science as a guide for a living. Science is about discovering natural world, upgrades in medicine and industry etc. Bible is a testimony in time and shows how thing will end up but it is harmonious with facts.

Sort of agree. But lots of retards underestimate science. Its really hard to crack and give plausible cosmological theories that align with the Bible. But its doable, science definitely does not prove anything false in the Bible. Its just, without faith and philosophical wisdom, I can see how many fall for science. Genesis absolutey does require miracles and a vision which far exceeds modern science - but thats the point, God and the intrinsic being of nature should exceed our logic. So, for someone with faith, a miracle driven model of creation theoretically plausible and not ultimately disprovable by science is enough and I will work on composing my own cosmology of genesis soon and share it to you all.

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

Its really hard to crack and give plausible cosmological theories that align with the Bible. But its doable, science definitely does not prove anything false in the Bible. Its just, without faith and philosophical wisdom, I can see how many fall for science. Genesis absolutey does require miracles and a vision which far exceeds modern science - but thats the point, God and the intrinsic being of nature should exceed our logic. So, for someone with faith, a miracle driven model of creation theoretically plausible and not ultimately disprovable by science is enough and I will work on composing my own cosmology of genesis soon and share it to you all.

You can research John Hartnett's arguments for biblical interpretation. Bible authors believed that creation in 6 days was history.
Cosmology is just proposing models and then atheists try to reinterpret that in their atheistic worldview, while testable science is based upon repeatable experiment.

[i wanna be a bimbo doll]

People who have sex don’t put there energy into this stuff

but ngl I can see a lot of people coming from monkies, like this ugly asf guy with those little beady eyes who’s sometimes near my mailbox probably getting anime women books, I was worried he would think I liked him but luckily he wasn’t the eye contact type 

monkies to play Minecraft in the jungles Jane Goodall went in now

[10khitman]

People who have sex don’t put there energy into this stuff

what a massive revelation that those who fruitlessly chase trivial gratification which sinks like rock in their empty stomach, do not have interesting in anything of profound nature. 


maybe in the retard 2018 era of lookism that was a good comment, but in 2023 even the forum degens couldnt care less about muh chad have sex he dont care

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

Scientism versus science

“Scientism is not the same thing as science. Science is a blessing, but scientism is a curse. Science, I mean what practicing scientists actually do, is acutely and admirably aware of its limits, and humbly admits to the provisional character of its conclusions; but scientism is dogmatic, and peddles certainties. It is always at the ready with the solution to every problem, because it believes that the solution to every problem is a scientific one, and so it gives scientific answers to non-scientific questions. Owing to its preference for totalistic explanation, scientism transforms science into an ideology, which is of course a betrayal of the experimental and empirical spirit.”

[Dolly Buster]

Bible is pure trash

It teaches individuals to commit polytheism

[69ixine]

Bible is pure trash

It teaches individuals to commit polytheism

if so,how do you disprove all these testimonies

https://spiritreports.blogspot.com/

??

[Busty Doll]

Many edgelords try to interpret science as a guide for a living. Science is about discovering natural world, upgrades in medicine and industry etc. Bible is a testimony in time and shows how thing will end up but it is harmonious with facts.

No you guys were just brainwashed with Piss Christ