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World races according to 1960s british journal - 3ofspade - 28-09-2024
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RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - Sexual chocolate - 28-09-2024
where is Dravidian?
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - Altruist - 28-09-2024
WEMs win again
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - ΛΟΓΟΣ - 28-09-2024
thats a phenotypically poor chart
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - Mr Looks - 28-09-2024
Why would they make med look like arab 😭😭
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - prince of shitskins - 29-09-2024
Lol @ abo with a literal bone through their nose
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - 3ofspade - 29-09-2024
(28-09-2024, 08:08 PM)Sexual chocolate Wrote: where is Dravidian?
depends on your individual pheno, you'll know. probably somewhere between indo-iranian and australoid
indians are all the same stock. just varying amounts of the same shit
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RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - Sexual chocolate - 29-09-2024
(29-09-2024, 10:06 PM)3ofspade Wrote: depends on your individual pheno, you'll know. probably somewhere between indo-iranian and australoidIsn't AASI basal caucasoid? But no I thought Dravidians themselves had some sort of cline and the australoid admixture is from Togas, not AASI.
indians are all the same stock. just varying amounts of the same shit
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - 3ofspade - 30-09-2024
(29-09-2024, 11:55 PM)Sexual chocolate Wrote: Isn't AASI basal caucasoid? But no I thought Dravidians themselves had some sort of cline and the australoid admixture is from Togas, not AASI.
wtf is togas? toda people?
AASI is ancestral south indian. when i was into genetics and on anthrogenica, we used to call that race "veddoid" a subset of proto-australoids as they were distinct enough from the others but obv nobody knows
you're caucasoids end of story as you cluster with european whites in genetic maps. but they'll deny this and attempt to separate themselves from you all as you know why
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - Sexual chocolate - 30-09-2024
(30-09-2024, 12:58 AM)3ofspade Wrote: wtf is togas? toda people?
AASI is ancestral south indian. when i was into genetics and on anthrogenica, we used to call that race "veddoid" a subset of proto-australoids as they were distinct enough from the others but obv nobody knows
you're caucasoids end of story as you cluster with european whites in genetic maps. but they'll deny this and attempt to separate themselves from you all as you know why
Veddoid seems to be australo-melanesian rather than AASI which is essentially a ghost pop. There were some theories floating around about ANE and AASI , need to look into it more
![[Image: 1280px-Phylogenetic_structure_of_Eastern_Eurasians.png]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Phylogenetic_structure_of_Eastern_Eurasians.png/1280px-Phylogenetic_structure_of_Eastern_Eurasians.png)
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - 3ofspade - 30-09-2024
(30-09-2024, 04:07 AM)Sexual chocolate Wrote: Veddoid seems to be australo-melanesian rather than AASI which is essentially a ghost pop. There were some theories floating around about ANE and AASI , need to look into it more
when we said veddoid, we meant the ancient population specific to the indian subcontinent which is essentially aasi. the population we used to define aasi back then was the irula tribe.
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but even so, there's still a strong correlation between AASI and australo-melanesian (common east eurasian source). especially seen maternally, as the major mtdna haplogroups in south asia are M, R, and to a lesser extent U. U is the only ANE one out of the three where an ancient north eurasian Mal'ta boy was found with it. otherwise, M and R are very consistent with negrito/australoid populations (shared a common ancestor with east asians hence why it's also found in their populations). haplogroup M is the only maternal haplogroup found among the Irula tribe (Dravidian) and Andamanese and at high concentrations in Papa New Guinea. MTDNA R is found in similar populations in South Asia, Southeast Asia, and Oceania.
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Spoilerwith the major paternal lineages of india and south asia being R1a, R2, H, L, and J2 which are all consistent with Western Eurasian populations. so pretty clear that you all got fucked over maternally
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - Sexual chocolate - 30-09-2024
(30-09-2024, 05:24 AM)3ofspade Wrote: but even so, there's still a strong correlation between AASI and australo-melanesian (common east eurasian source).this is like claiming native americans east asian and the andamanese have a "strong correlation" because they are the branches of a tree
Most of Indian upper caste R haplogroup is endemic to india see:
https://a-genetics.blogspot.com/2022/10/r1a-explained.html
the irula are a decent proxy for AASI (although define is a strong word), they look extremely caucasoid contra even the veddoid (which Reich claims have signifiicant differences w the andamanese):
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btw i thought u were talking about the veddoid ethnic group, those phenos posted seem negrito-ised to me, with heavy malay and andamanese influence
![[Image: Vedda_man_and_child%2C_Sri_Lanka.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Vedda_man_and_child%2C_Sri_Lanka.jpg)
are you sure about the M haplo, this is what I got
![[Image: 461169047_1200017721284313_9089428341349...e=67217DD7]](https://scontent.fmaa3-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/461169047_1200017721284313_9089428341349479532_n.png?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9f807c&_nc_ohc=0kD00K6euRsQ7kNvgEdYn7z&_nc_ht=scontent.fmaa3-3.fna&oh=03_Q7cD1QFcBmu9apnJUif3eHHW9HEoXlCi5dFUCpecfnLHv8HoRw&oe=67217DD7)
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - 3ofspade - 30-09-2024
(30-09-2024, 05:34 AM)Sexual chocolate Wrote: this is like claiming native americans east asian and the andamanese have a "strong correlation" because they are the branches of a tree
Most of Indian upper caste R haplogroup is endemic to india see:
https://a-genetics.blogspot.com/2022/10/r1a-explained.html
the irula are a decent proxy for AASI (although define is a strong word), they look extremely caucasoid contra even the veddoid (which Reich claims have signifiicant differences w the andamanese):
btw i thought u were talking about the veddoid ethnic group, those phenos posted seem negrito-ised to me, with heavy malay and andamanese influence
are you sure about the M haplo, this is what I got
mtdna frequencies literally show and prove the connection. even when it comes to japan. the reason why its M frequency is so high is due to the native population (the ainu/Jomon) in comparison to much lower M frequencies in Korean populations. the ainu/Jomon also exhibit western eurasian/caucasoid features. that doesn't necessarily mean they're derived from caucasoid populations. it could just be mutations they held onto with sexual selection, whether stronger brow ridge, more hair, ... just like the melanesians are known to have 10% frequency of blonde hair and colored eyes. or the very fact that these negrito populations virtually have nothing to do with african/black populations and are closest to eastern eurasian populations
but yeah, you do have to account for that it's been tens of thousands of years (~40,000) when AASI isolated from the Andamanese and other eastern eurasian derived groups. but the genetic history is still there
RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - 3ofspade - 30-09-2024
these are how the full-blooded Ainu population in Japan looked like btw. maternal haplogroups M and N. we haven't even scratched the surface of how the world looked like in the past
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RE: World races according to 1960s british journal - salt - 30-09-2024
lol at Ethiopians and Indians in the white column