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It's over, you don't have free will (/showthread.php?tid=2358)It's over, you don't have free will - God Emperor Chad - 14-05-2022
No atom can move in a way that isn't 100% pre-determined and caused by previous atoms. Physicists agree: if you know everything about a ball that is about to bounce off a wall, you can know exactly what will happen. And since your brain is not different in any fundamental way, that means with perfect information you could predict what your brain will do, it's pre-determined.
Counter arguments:
1. "but muh god" no get the fuck out.
2. "but what if I start acting different all of a sudden" you can't demonstrate any logical contradiction that entails for this, you acting different now can also easily be pre-determined.
3. "but quantum mechanics observations show that some particle movement looks random" That would mean, at best, your actions are random but that doesn't give you free will.
@MVP you're basically already in prison and aren't going to commit crime.
At least, even a large part of your own mind is not in your control.
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Achathin - 14-05-2022
who gives a FUCK
why care or put thought (wasted energy) towards something out of your control
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Honest - 14-05-2022
Determinism doesn't imply an "it's over"/fatalistic worldview. In fact, random events could result in very fortunate outcomes.
It's only an issue if your Being is so weak that it can be destroyed by the realisation that there is no free will. Which is only the case for really stupid and mentally frail people
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - towncel - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 03:35 PM)Honest Wrote: Determinism doesn't imply an "it's over"/fatalistic worldview. In fact, random events could result in very fortunate outcomes.
It's only an issue if your Being is so weak that it can be destroyed by the realisation that there is no free will. Which is only the case for really stupid and mentally frail people
Completely wrong. This proves that because you don't have free will your life will be the same and you will not change it through free will and hard work, this proves making money and success are impossible.
This will not result in "very fortunate outcomes" or whatever cope you tell yourself, this will result in a small minority not having to work a day in their life while experiencing heaven while 2 billion starve.
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - vasrka - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 03:08 PM)Achathin Wrote: who gives a FUCK
why care or put thought (wasted energy) towards something out of your control
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Honest - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 03:49 PM)towncel Wrote:(14-05-2022, 03:35 PM)Honest Wrote: Determinism doesn't imply an "it's over"/fatalistic worldview. In fact, random events could result in very fortunate outcomes.
It's only an issue if your Being is so weak that it can be destroyed by the realisation that there is no free will. Which is only the case for really stupid and mentally frail people
Completely wrong. This proves that because you don't have free will your life will be the same and you will not change it through free will and hard work, this proves making money and success are impossible.
This will not result in "very fortunate outcomes" or whatever cope you tell yourself, this will result in a small minority not having to work a day in their life while experiencing heaven while 2 billion starve.
Are you retarded? Determinism does not mean your life will always be the same. This makes zero sense
You're just a weak-minded/low IQ fatalist, like I've described
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - God Emperor Chad - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 04:08 PM)Honest Wrote:(14-05-2022, 03:49 PM)towncel Wrote:(14-05-2022, 03:35 PM)Honest Wrote: Determinism doesn't imply an "it's over"/fatalistic worldview. In fact, random events could result in very fortunate outcomes.
It's only an issue if your Being is so weak that it can be destroyed by the realisation that there is no free will. Which is only the case for really stupid and mentally frail people
Completely wrong. This proves that because you don't have free will your life will be the same and you will not change it through free will and hard work, this proves making money and success are impossible.
This will not result in "very fortunate outcomes" or whatever cope you tell yourself, this will result in a small minority not having to work a day in their life while experiencing heaven while 2 billion starve.
Are you retarded? Determinism does not mean your life will always be the same. This makes zero sense
You're just a weak-minded/low IQ fatalist, like I've described
You're not able to read or your reading comprehension is that of a toddler?
1. He didn't say your life will stay 100% the exact same under determinism, it's that free will is more likely to bring change than deterministic outcomes. Determinism literally means your life is more likely to stay the same because there's no free will to change it.
2. You didn't. You basically said people who need to deny determinism are weak, and it looks like that's probably you because you're coping.
Keep talking brainlet.
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Honest - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 04:22 PM)God Emperor Chad Wrote: 1. He didn't say your life will stay 100% the exact same under determinism, it's that free will is more likely to bring change than deterministic outcomes. Determinism literally means your life is more likely to stay the same because there's no free will to change it.
There's no such thing as "free-will". It doesn't and cannot exist. Free-will isn't more likely to bring about anything, because it's a made-up/illogical concept and therefore we cannot use it to predict whether or not something will become more likely
I actually can't believe the nonsense that I'm reading. "Determinism literally means your life is more likely to stay the same because there's no free will to change it." Are you brain dead? "More likely to stay the same"... Wow, that's just such a stupid sentence. Laughable, really.
(14-05-2022, 04:22 PM)God Emperor Chad Wrote: 2. You didn't. You basically said people who need to deny determinism are weak, and it looks like that's probably you because you're coping.
People who deny determinism are weak. But fatalists are weak people who accept determinism, but can't make sense of it. And that's why they deny it in the first place (because they are too stupid to understand how it works, and would get depressed/frustrated trying to figure it out, like mr towncel)
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Honest - 14-05-2022
Giving up or saying "it's impossible to change" show that you have are an inherently weak and stupid person. Deterministically speaking, you are inherently weak and stupid. That is the fact of the matter and cannot be denied.
By adopting this attitude, you are cementing the notion that you are weak and stupid and will forever be weak and stupid. You have closed yourself off to all success. But staying focused will provide you with a small chance of success
This is determinism. And in this model, fatalists are clear failures (their continual failure can be predicted). Meanwhile, non-fatalists have at least some chance, and so cannot be predicted to be continual failure (by current models, at least).
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - God Emperor Chad - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 04:53 PM)Honest Wrote:(14-05-2022, 04:22 PM)God Emperor Chad Wrote: 1. He didn't say your life will stay 100% the exact same under determinism, it's that free will is more likely to bring change than deterministic outcomes. Determinism literally means your life is more likely to stay the same because there's no free will to change it.
There's no such thing as "free-will". It doesn't and cannot exist. Free-will isn't more likely to bring about anything, because it's a made-up/illogical concept and therefore we cannot use it to predict whether or not something will become more likely
I actually can't believe the nonsense that I'm reading. "Determinism literally means your life is more likely to stay the same because there's no free will to change it." Are you brain dead? "More likely to stay the same"... Wow, that's just such a stupid sentence. Laughable, really.
(14-05-2022, 04:22 PM)God Emperor Chad Wrote: 2. You didn't. You basically said people who need to deny determinism are weak, and it looks like that's probably you because you're coping.
People who deny determinism are weak. But fatalists are weak people who accept determinism, but can't make sense of it. And that's why they deny it in the first place (because they are too stupid to understand how it works, and would get depressed/frustrated trying to figure it out, like mr towncel)
Not being able to talk about something hypothetical because it's hypothetical....??? Is any analogy now false? You should never use analogies in any possible conversation now?
Read your own comment again, is there an argument there that isn't an ad hominem I would expect from a 4 year old? No.
This type of brainleting is literally trolling, even if you're not I should treat it as such because you clearly have a disability or too big of an ego to admit you know nothing.
"Giving up or saying "it's impossible to change" show that you have are an inherently weak and stupid person. Deterministically speaking, you are inherently weak and stupid. That is the fact of the matter and cannot be denied."
That doesn't follow, if there is no free will then I would just be right and not stupid. And weak? Obviously depends on the person but you aren't making any sort of a point or showing how that leads to weakness deterministically. Others would also not have free will either.
Let's say a fatalist is born in britain to a millionaire family, quits highschool at 16 to become a NEET with 10/10 luck, online friends and eats perfect food, but he believes in fatalism... he's now a failure? No, factors outside of his control rigged life in his favor.
I can see it in the scenario that someone's fatalism cripples him and all his emotions are aligned with fatalism, with no impulses contrary to it, meaning that he is prevented from succeeding, but otherwise no. You could still obviously be pre-determined to succeed while believing in fatalism.
A non-fatalist can absolutely be predicted to be a failure, the fact that he believes he has free will doesn't mean I can't say that he will fail beyond a reasonable doubt. Did you mean to type something else?
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - God Emperor Chad - 14-05-2022
retarded attempt at trolling, welcome to my ignore list
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Honest - 14-05-2022
You're dumb as rocks and don't understand the meaning of words, nor can you properly organise your arguments coherently. Total waste of time
I guess I'm partly to blame for being dumb enough to reply to such a stupid thread
RE: It's over, you don't have free will - Honest - 14-05-2022
(14-05-2022, 01:59 PM)God Emperor Chad Wrote: At least, even a large part of your own mind is not in your control.
Look at this. You barely even have a basic grasp of understanding. And yet you're hostile to people who are trying to educate you?
I hate noobs like you, with a big, eager mouth and a little, ignorant brain