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Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 03-10-2023
Pilgrimage and "holy Mary" destroyed by the Bible alone.
RE: Catholicism debunked - Honest - 03-10-2023
I don't see why you're trying to debunk Catholicism when you are still enslaved to your sins (you've admitted that you are enslaved to pornography, drunkenness etc.), which shows that you have never been born again into the kingdom of God. Because if you are born again, you will be set free from your sins (Romans 6:6).
You rightly judge Catholics for having a false doctrine, but you yourself are not saved. Have you not heard what Jesus said:
“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5)
And in Romans 2, Paul states:
"Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?" (Romans 2:3)
So how can you judge Catholics for having a false gospel when you yourself haven't submitted to the gospel of Jesus Chrirst?
RE: Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 04-10-2023
(03-10-2023, 05:21 PM)Honest Wrote: I don't see why you're trying to debunk Catholicism when you are still enslaved to your sins (you've admitted that you are enslaved to pornography, drunkenness etc.)
2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5)
And in Romans 2, Paul states:
"Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?" (Romans 2:3)
I am not addicted to pornography and i only drink once in a while. That'ps bad of course but it's important to to state the facts.
Quote:You rightly judge Catholics for having a false doctrine, but you yourself are not saved. Have you not heard what Jesus said:I am not judging, just like in the video pointing out some mistakes in their worldview. Where do you see a holy Mary and salvation by works in the Bible?
“Judge not, that you be not judged.
Quote:[quote pid="95516" dateline="1696342861"]I can because i use logic and apostles themselves condemned things as false worship and later additions to pure faith, even though i am flawed i can see the difference.
So how can you judge Catholics for having a false gospel when you yourself haven't submitted to the gospel of Jesus Chrirst?
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RE: Catholicism debunked - Honest - 04-10-2023
The point is that you're worrying about Catholic doctrine while you yourself are not born again and so are on the road to hell. So your priority isn't worrying about Catholics, it's worrying about yourself and crying out to God to save you.
RE: Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 04-10-2023
(04-10-2023, 12:56 PM)Honest Wrote: The point is that you're worrying about Catholic doctrine while you yourself are not born again and so are on the road to hell. So your priority isn't worrying about Catholics, it's worrying about yourself and crying out to God to save you.I vouched against collaborating with Catholics in SDA church. Which domination are you?
RE: Catholicism debunked - Honest - 04-10-2023
(04-10-2023, 01:29 PM)RuudVanNistelrooy Wrote:(04-10-2023, 12:56 PM)Honest Wrote: The point is that you're worrying about Catholic doctrine while you yourself are not born again and so are on the road to hell. So your priority isn't worrying about Catholics, it's worrying about yourself and crying out to God to save you.I vouched against collaborating with Catholics in SDA church. Which domination are you?
It doesn't matter what you vouched for, seeing as you currently aren't saved. Right now, the priority is you calling on the name of the Lord for salvation, and to be delivered from being enslaved to your sin.
RE: Catholicism debunked - FatalFlaw - 05-10-2023
Lol at heretics thinking that the one true faith is wrong because of their own personal interpretation of the Bible. The Catholic Church, founded by Jesus himself, was the one that put together the Bible in the first place. The Church's interpretation of the Bible is the correct one and is literally infallible in regards to doctrine. The moment it falls into heresy is the moment the end times arrive.
The more I think about it, the more I realize having so many people be literate and able to read the Bible (or anything really) in the first place was a mistake. People need to just be obedient to the Church and its clergy. Christendom was more moral when that was the case than it is today.
RE: Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 05-10-2023
(05-10-2023, 04:37 AM)FatalFlaw Wrote: Lol at heretics thinking that the one true faith is wrong because of their own personal interpretation of the Bible."Heretics" only hold Bible doctrines without mixing paganism and satanism into it.
Catholic church originated in Rome and is a mix of paganism and Christianity. "The scarlet whore", that is what Catholics are.
RE: Catholicism debunked - Honest - 05-10-2023
(05-10-2023, 04:37 AM)FatalFlaw Wrote: Lol at heretics thinking that the one true faith is wrong because of their own personal interpretation of the Bible.Because the Catholic Church blatantly contradicts Scripture. There is more difference between different Catholic denominations (between German and Mexican Catholics, for example) than there is between two Christians who both believe in Sola Scriptura (which means that the Bible is our ultimate authority). So much for the Church keeping everyone together, right? It's almost as if the Bible is God's infallible Word, and keeping to that Word will keep the church together (rather than the doctrines of fallible men).
Btw, OP doesn't believe in Sola Scriptura either, so you're closer to him than I am.
(05-10-2023, 04:37 AM)FatalFlaw Wrote: The Catholic Church, founded by Jesus himself, was the one that put together the Bible in the first place.That's funny, seeing as the Catholic Church only actually finalised the canon of Scripture in 1546. So apparently the Church was able to function without an official canon of Scripture for over 1500 years. How? Because it was known since the start what books were God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16-17) and which weren't. There was never a need for an official body to make a ruling over the people to allow them to know which books made up Scripture.
And you want to know the really funny thing? 1546 was the Council of Trent, and the official canon of the Scriptures by the Catholic Church included the apocrypha, despite many Catholics having previously denied that the apocrypha was Scripture. This included Pope Gregory the Great himself (An Exposition on the Book of Blessed Job, Book 19, Chapter 34).
(05-10-2023, 04:37 AM)FatalFlaw Wrote: The Church's interpretation of the Bible is the correct one and is literally infallible in regards to doctrine. The moment it falls into heresy is the moment the end times arrive.This is where it gets really funny. The Catholic Church has only infallibly interpreted around seven verses. So every other interpretation of a verse is personal interpretation. And you're right; factions of the Church has been in heresy since the beginning (because we have been in the end times ever since Jesus ascended) – just look at Paul's letters warning people of the heresies that were popping up in the churches. That's why we need to rely on the Bible, and not on fallible humans.
(05-10-2023, 04:37 AM)FatalFlaw Wrote: The more I think about it, the more I realize having so many people be literate and able to read the Bible (or anything really) in the first place was a mistake. People need to just be obedient to the Church and its clergy. Christendom was more moral when that was the case than it is today.It's only a "mistake" because the Bible blatantly contradicts the doctrines of the Catholic Church. Why do you think Catholics historically murdered so many people for reading/possessing the Bible? They knew that the Church wasn't following it.
I am thankful for the many martyrs who made sure to copy and store the Bibles, even when they were being hunted and tortured by Romans soldiers, and then when they were being hunted and tortured by Roman Catholic soldiers.
RE: Catholicism debunked - 10khitman - 05-10-2023
(05-10-2023, 04:37 AM)FatalFlaw Wrote:
Lol at heretics thinking that the one true faith is wrong because of their own personal interpretation of the Bible. The Catholic Church, founded by Jesus himself, was the one that put together the Bible in the first place. The Church's interpretation of the Bible is the correct one and is literally infallible in regards to doctrine. The moment it falls into heresy is the moment the end times arrive.
The more I think about it, the more I realize having so many people be literate and able to read the Bible (or anything really) in the first place was a mistake. People need to just be obedient to the Church and its clergy. Christendom was more moral when that was the case than it is today.
Catholic was in the name of the church at his time but the current Catholic church is not the same, the current Catholic church split during the great schism and added a bunch of doctrine which did not exist in Jesus' time. They stole the name thats all.
RE: Catholicism debunked - FatalFlaw - 05-10-2023
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: There is more difference between different Catholic denominations (between German and Mexican Catholics, for example) than there is between two Christians who both believe in Sola Scriptura (which means that the Bible is our ultimate authority).Perhaps in practice, but not in doctrine.
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: That's funny, seeing as the Catholic Church only actually finalised the canon of Scripture in 1546. So apparently the Church was able to function without an official canon of Scripture for over 1500 years. How?Historically, the church has always been a collection of churches, but all of them should ultimately be obedient to the authority of the Pope, whose position is passed down from Jesus himself two thousand years ago.
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: That's why we need to rely on the Bible, and not on fallible humans.By relying on your own interpretation of the Bible, or someone else's interpretation of the Bible, you are already relying on fallible humans. The Church is blessed by God so the interpretation it has is the correct one, even if they had to make some things "official" later on.
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: It's only a "mistake" because the Bible blatantly contradicts the doctrines of the Catholic Church.Again, the Bible cannot contradict the doctrines of the Church because the Church's interpretation of the Bible is the correct one, and it cannot contradict itself.
RE: Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 07-10-2023
Shabbat Shalom
RE: Catholicism debunked - 10khitman - 07-10-2023
(05-10-2023, 10:40 PM)FatalFlaw Wrote:(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: There is more difference between different Catholic denominations (between German and Mexican Catholics, for example) than there is between two Christians who both believe in Sola Scriptura (which means that the Bible is our ultimate authority).Perhaps in practice, but not in doctrine.
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: That's funny, seeing as the Catholic Church only actually finalised the canon of Scripture in 1546. So apparently the Church was able to function without an official canon of Scripture for over 1500 years. How?Historically, the church has always been a collection of churches, but all of them should ultimately be obedient to the authority of the Pope, whose position is passed down from Jesus himself two thousand years ago.
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: That's why we need to rely on the Bible, and not on fallible humans.By relying on your own interpretation of the Bible, or someone else's interpretation of the Bible, you are already relying on fallible humans. The Church is blessed by God so the interpretation it has is the correct one, even if they had to make some things "official" later on.
(05-10-2023, 03:36 PM)Honest Wrote: It's only a "mistake" because the Bible blatantly contradicts the doctrines of the Catholic Church.Again, the Bible cannot contradict the doctrines of the Church because the Church's interpretation of the Bible is the correct one, and it cannot contradict itself.
Bro the Pope literally does Pagan rituals on camera for "inclusion" etc dancing with pagans and building "Abrahamic Worship Center" or whatever how can you possibly be caothlic in 2023. ur wither protestant or orthodox, nothinf else. literally so dumb.
RE: Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 26-10-2023
RE: Catholicism debunked - RuudVanNistelrooy - 06-06-2025
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