(17-06-2022, 08:02 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote:

(17-06-2022, 05:03 PM)Bookist Wrote: @noi_avorrit HGH (Human growth hormone) . 2IU per day will make your face look 10-15 years younger, thats the Anti Aging dose. HGH is what they use for Anti Aging. This hormone has a very VERY powerful effect on your skins collagen synthesis

Interesting information, I've got no idea about hormones so well, if I'm not mistaken after 21 or so when you stop growing the HGH takes over other functions but dunno. @Normal , why does the hormone feminize you if you have too much?

Normal Wrote:Male animals secrete GH in pulses, but females secrete it more steadily. This pattern of secretion "masculinizes" or "feminizes" the liver (and other organs), determining the pattern of enzyme activity. It would be possible (though very difficult) to arrange a system for delivering doses in a pulsed, intermittent manner. In cows, this apparently isn't necessary, since the purpose of the growth hormone is presumably to "feminize" the milk-producing system. But the normal pattern of secretion is much more complex than simply being "pulsed" or "continuous," since it, like prolactin secretion, is responsive to changes in thyroid, estrogen, diet, stress, and many other factors.

For example, hormones in this family are, as far back in evolution as they have been studied, involved in the regulation of water and minerals. It is well established that increased water (hypotonicity) stimulates prolactin, and increased sodium inhibits its secretion. Growth hormone is also closely involved with the regulation of water and salts.

(17-06-2022, 06:48 PM)Bookist Wrote:

(17-06-2022, 06:13 PM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: i payed like 150 euros total with shipping for 90ml mk677 oral

I'm curious though what made you choose mk677/ibutamoren instead of HGH? Is it because of the legality issue? That buying HGH would be illegal i mean

(17-06-2022, 09:29 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote:

Normal Wrote:Male animals secrete GH in pulses, but females secrete it more steadily. This pattern of secretion "masculinizes" or "feminizes" the liver (and other organs), determining the pattern of enzyme activity. It would be possible (though very difficult) to arrange a system for delivering doses in a pulsed, intermittent manner. In cows, this apparently isn't necessary, since the purpose of the growth hormone is presumably to "feminize" the milk-producing system. But the normal pattern of secretion is much more complex than simply being "pulsed" or "continuous," since it, like prolactin secretion, is responsive to changes in thyroid, estrogen, diet, stress, and many other factors.

For example, hormones in this family are, as far back in evolution as they have been studied, involved in the regulation of water and minerals. It is well established that increased water (hypotonicity) stimulates prolactin, and increased sodium inhibits its secretion. Growth hormone is also closely involved with the regulation of water and salts.

Thank you very much for the information, very interesting. I'd never have guesses the growth hormone would be involved in those things, let alone the pattern of enzyme activity.

(18-06-2022, 01:49 AM)Bookist Wrote: He just copy that text from Ray Peat. Ray peat is the same person who says eating sugar is good for you. He is a scam


And yes EVEN IF HGH increases prolactin? Just take cabergoline, problem solved. If HGH increases estrogen? Just take aromasin, problem solved.

Testosterone increases Estrogen too so by his logic even Testosterone would "feminize you". What he forgets is though that everyone who take steroids they ALSO take aromatase inhibitors (Anti estrogen medication). So just taking aromasin (Anti estrogen medication) while on HGH then you dont need to worry about estrogen

(18-06-2022, 03:06 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote: However, wouldn't cabergoline and aromasin just too much components over the growth hormone?

(18-06-2022, 03:06 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote: However, wouldn't cabergoline and aromasin just too much components over the growth hormone?

Bookist Wrote:Sorry bro I dont quite understand this question? Could you elaborate what do you mean?

(18-06-2022, 03:23 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote:

Bookist Wrote:Sorry bro I dont quite understand this question? Could you elaborate what do you mean?

I meant that combining that much things, like what you stated (growth hormone plus cabergoline plus aromasin) could bring some side effects isn't it?

(18-06-2022, 03:06 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote:

(18-06-2022, 01:49 AM)Bookist Wrote: He just copy that text from Ray Peat. Ray peat is the same person who says eating sugar is good for you. He is a scam


And yes EVEN IF HGH increases prolactin? Just take cabergoline, problem solved. If HGH increases estrogen? Just take aromasin, problem solved.

Testosterone increases Estrogen too so by his logic even Testosterone would "feminize you". What he forgets is though that everyone who take steroids they ALSO take aromatase inhibitors (Anti estrogen medication). So just taking aromasin (Anti estrogen medication) while on HGH then you dont need to worry about estrogen

Then I wouldn't trust Ray Peat too much since we all know the problems that causes eating sugar, so well. Eating anything with sugar is frowned upon in the manosphere by now.

However, wouldn't cabergoline and aromasin just too much components over the growth hormone?

Bookist Wrote:You dont even need cabergoline and aromasin if you are on HGH. As HGH does not aromatise to estrogen and prolactin. I meant that EVEN IF they aromatized to estrogen and prolactin according to Ray Peats theories, then that would be easily prevented with aromasin and cabergoline.

If you are on Testosterone then you need Aromasin though. To prevent testosterone from converting to Estrogen.

Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist bro. At 0.5 mg per week it has no side effects.

(18-06-2022, 03:47 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote: Doesn't too much sugar raise insulin thus making you fat and maybe damaging blood vessels, @Normal ? It's one of the main reasons I'm doing long term keto (a mostly carnivorous keto).

(18-06-2022, 03:51 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote:

Bookist Wrote:You dont even need cabergoline and aromasin if you are on HGH. As HGH does not aromatise to estrogen and prolactin. I meant that EVEN IF they aromatized to estrogen and prolactin according to Ray Peats theories, then that would be easily prevented with aromasin and cabergoline.

If you are on Testosterone then you need Aromasin though. To prevent testosterone from converting to Estrogen.

Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist bro. At 0.5 mg per week it has no side effects.

Interesting information though, thank you. As I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic I can't confirm it. You could discuss it with our bro @Normal since he seems to be good at this topic as well.

(18-06-2022, 03:47 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote: Doesn't too much sugar raise insulin thus making you fat and maybe damaging blood vessels, @Normal ? It's one of the main reasons I'm doing long term keto (a mostly carnivorous keto).

(18-06-2022, 03:55 PM)Bookist Wrote:

(18-06-2022, 03:51 PM)noi_avorrit Wrote:

Bookist Wrote:You dont even need cabergoline and aromasin if you are on HGH. As HGH does not aromatise to estrogen and prolactin. I meant that EVEN IF they aromatized to estrogen and prolactin according to Ray Peats theories, then that would be easily prevented with aromasin and cabergoline.

If you are on Testosterone then you need Aromasin though. To prevent testosterone from converting to Estrogen.

Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist bro. At 0.5 mg per week it has no side effects.

Interesting information though, thank you. As I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic I can't confirm it. You could discuss it with our bro @Normal since he seems to be good at this topic as well.

I would not wanna discuss it with our bro @Normal considering he is anti-steroids and I am pro-steroids

I'm not that into argumentations bro