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RE: very little of willpower is genetic - fdeshieldplus - 27-10-2025
(27-10-2025, 11:28 PM)MysteriousWeeb420 Wrote: source?
i would say it's mostly environment
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - MysteriousWeeb420 - 27-10-2025
(27-10-2025, 11:31 PM)fdeshieldplus Wrote: are those genes in the room with us? where is their observable, repeatable, predicable influence in the real world? i'm talking about genes relevant to social and cultural phenomena, not how long some brown person's asshair can grow
what are you even responding to with this comment? this does not address a single point i made
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - Altruist - 28-10-2025
EU gene
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - Honest - 28-10-2025
conscientiousness/'willpower' is strongly influenced by genetics per scientific studies. interestingly, it's been shown to either be uncorrelated or slightly negatively correlated with intelligence
Quote:Although conceptually conscientiousness should be positively associated with intelligence, existing empirical data do not support this hypothesis. Most results did not reveal significant correlations of this personality dimension with various cognitive abilities (Ackerman & Heggestad, 1997). However, several recent investigations reported a negative association of the two variables (Moutafi et al., 2004, Moutafi et al., 2005). The compensation mechanism has been proposed as a possible explanation of this result (von Stumm, Chamorro-Premuzic & Ackerman, 2011). Particularly, it has been suggested that less able individuals may compensate for their lower intellectual capacity by developing a high level of conscientiousness. People with high intelligence do not need to be very conscientious as they can rely solely on their intellect to accomplish most tasks.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1041608015001740
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - Honest - 28-10-2025
(27-10-2025, 10:19 PM)MysteriousWeeb420 Wrote: like you really think if you swapped a western baby and a baby buddhist monk at birth each child wouldn't grow into their environment?
you believe a sub-saharan african and eastern asian would fare just as well in a buddhist monastery environment?
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - towncel - 28-10-2025
(28-10-2025, 12:10 AM)Honest Wrote: you believe a sub-saharan african and eastern asian would fare just as well in a buddhist monastery environment?
Considering there have been many instances of this throughout history, this literally has happened.
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - MysteriousWeeb420 - 28-10-2025
(28-10-2025, 12:06 AM)Honest Wrote: conscientiousness/'willpower' is strongly influenced by genetics per scientific studies. interestingly, it's been shown to either be uncorrelated or slightly negatively correlated with intelligence
i skimmed through the paper and there were zero mentions of genetics/genes. it is also based on self reported personality tests, so the whole thing is a load of bullshit of just misusing statistics to find random correlations between meaningless numbers and pretending it's science
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - MysteriousWeeb420 - 28-10-2025
(28-10-2025, 12:10 AM)Honest Wrote: you believe a sub-saharan african and eastern asian would fare just as well in a buddhist monastery environment?
yes
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - towncel - 28-10-2025
(27-10-2025, 11:13 PM)fdeshieldplus Wrote: the explanation is any number of genetic traits that makes black choose to behave in violent and retarded ways. there are no violent criminal traits, there are traits that make them more likely to choose to be violent criminals
Under (materialist) determinism, which isn't true.
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - Altruist - 28-10-2025
whale power
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - towncel - 28-10-2025
(28-10-2025, 12:21 AM)Altruist Wrote: whale power
there's no fate, take controooool
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - towncel - 28-10-2025
> whale to power
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - Honest - 28-10-2025
(28-10-2025, 12:13 AM)MysteriousWeeb420 Wrote: i skimmed through the paper and there were zero mentions of genetics/genes. it is also based on self reported personality tests, so the whole thing is a load of bullshit of just misusing statistics to find random correlations between meaningless numbers and pretending it's science
you dont trust the Fifteen Factor Questionnaire™ bro?
...and yes, retard, there were "zero mentions of genetics" because that's not a paper on genetics, but rather on relation between conscientiousness and intelligence. i addressed two points in my post, and the paper relates only to the latter
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - fdeshieldplus - 28-10-2025
op wants to expend herculean effort, pour endless manhours and trillions of dollars into artificially suppressing genetic expression within one generation, no doubt manipulating data to put these sociological methods in a positive light, under report and under convict black crimes to justify the supposed efficacy of these methods in "crime reduction", just to have the inevitable INHERITED niggerdry pop up with a vengeance in another generation or two and cut off his children's heads
RE: very little of willpower is genetic - Bojack - 28-10-2025
you can always push yourself to do something, maybe the amount of energy you have is limited idk