(19-11-2022, 12:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: MOVING AWAY from jaw surgery is litrally good because how fucking risky jaw surgery is, ppl with tmj only get it as last resort after doing conservative mewing rip off treatments like myofunctional theraphy and some other things

(19-11-2022, 01:09 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 12:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: MOVING AWAY from jaw surgery is litrally good because how fucking risky jaw surgery is, ppl with tmj only get it as last resort after doing conservative mewing rip off treatments like myofunctional theraphy and some other things

not risky at all (unless you get a le fort 2/3 which nobody does anyway)

(19-11-2022, 01:16 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:09 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 12:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: MOVING AWAY from jaw surgery is litrally good because how fucking risky jaw surgery is, ppl with tmj only get it as last resort after doing conservative mewing rip off treatments like myofunctional theraphy and some other things

not risky at all (unless you get a le fort 2/3 which nobody does anyway)

Orthognathic surgery is the surgery being discussed 


Common complications which may occur in orthognathic surgery include vascular disease, temporomandibular joints (TMJ) problems, nerve damage, infection, bone necrosis, periodontal disease, vision impairment, hearing problems, hair loss, and neuropsychiatric problems. Rarely complications could be fatal.


The rate of complications after orthognathic surgery is more than 40%; therefore, it is important that patients receive a detailed explanation ...

(19-11-2022, 01:26 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:16 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:09 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 12:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: MOVING AWAY from jaw surgery is litrally good because how fucking risky jaw surgery is, ppl with tmj only get it as last resort after doing conservative mewing rip off treatments like myofunctional theraphy and some other things

not risky at all (unless you get a le fort 2/3 which nobody does anyway)

Orthognathic surgery is the surgery being discussed 


Common complications which may occur in orthognathic surgery include vascular disease, temporomandibular joints (TMJ) problems, nerve damage, infection, bone necrosis, periodontal disease, vision impairment, hearing problems, hair loss, and neuropsychiatric problems. Rarely complications could be fatal.


The rate of complications after orthognathic surgery is more than 40%; therefore, it is important that patients receive a detailed explanation ...

vision impairment, hearing problems and hair loss?) from the orthognathic surgery that is performed through the mouth?))

the common complications are not common at all and are extremely overstated

(19-11-2022, 01:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:26 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:16 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:09 AM)зайчик Wrote: not risky at all (unless you get a le fort 2/3 which nobody does anyway)

Orthognathic surgery is the surgery being discussed 


Common complications which may occur in orthognathic surgery include vascular disease, temporomandibular joints (TMJ) problems, nerve damage, infection, bone necrosis, periodontal disease, vision impairment, hearing problems, hair loss, and neuropsychiatric problems. Rarely complications could be fatal.


The rate of complications after orthognathic surgery is more than 40%; therefore, it is important that patients receive a detailed explanation ...

vision impairment, hearing problems and hair loss?) from the orthognathic surgery that is performed through the mouth?))

the common complications are not common at all and are extremely overstated

40% have a complication, 40% do not die so of course some complications are diffrent

the ear and jaw joint are for one very connected anyone with tmj knoweldge knows this

(19-11-2022, 01:38 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:26 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:16 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: Orthognathic surgery is the surgery being discussed 


Common complications which may occur in orthognathic surgery include vascular disease, temporomandibular joints (TMJ) problems, nerve damage, infection, bone necrosis, periodontal disease, vision impairment, hearing problems, hair loss, and neuropsychiatric problems. Rarely complications could be fatal.


The rate of complications after orthognathic surgery is more than 40%; therefore, it is important that patients receive a detailed explanation ...

vision impairment, hearing problems and hair loss?) from the orthognathic surgery that is performed through the mouth?))

the common complications are not common at all and are extremely overstated

40% have a complication, 40% do not die so of course some complications are diffrent

the ear and jaw joint are for one very connected anyone with tmj knoweldge knows this

where did you get those numbers? 

most of the complications are probably temporary numbness

(19-11-2022, 01:42 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:38 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:26 AM)зайчик Wrote: vision impairment, hearing problems and hair loss?) from the orthognathic surgery that is performed through the mouth?))

the common complications are not common at all and are extremely overstated

40% have a complication, 40% do not die so of course some complications are diffrent

the ear and jaw joint are for one very connected anyone with tmj knoweldge knows this

where did you get those numbers? 

most of the complications are probably temporary numbness

i got them from google
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5342970/

cutting your face up is a bad idea and we should move toward prevention and more root cause treatments

(19-11-2022, 01:49 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:42 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:38 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:30 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: 40% have a complication, 40% do not die so of course some complications are diffrent

the ear and jaw joint are for one very connected anyone with tmj knoweldge knows this

where did you get those numbers? 

most of the complications are probably temporary numbness

i got them from google
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5342970/

cutting your face up is a bad idea and we should move toward prevention and more root cause treatments

1998-2009

outdated!

(19-11-2022, 01:53 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:49 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:42 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:38 AM)зайчик Wrote: where did you get those numbers? 

most of the complications are probably temporary numbness

i got them from google
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5342970/

cutting your face up is a bad idea and we should move toward prevention and more root cause treatments

1998-2009

outdated!

a study doesnt have tobe posted 2 seconds ago to not be oiutdated

complications are real and avoiding surgery for other treatments is best thats as far as my claims go

(19-11-2022, 01:55 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:53 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:49 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:42 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: i got them from google
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5342970/

cutting your face up is a bad idea and we should move toward prevention and more root cause treatments

1998-2009

outdated!

a study doesnt have tobe posted 2 seconds ago to not be oiutdated

complications are real and avoiding surgery for other treatments is best thats as far as my claims go

surgery is the only way

(19-11-2022, 02:04 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:55 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:53 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:49 AM)зайчик Wrote: 1998-2009

outdated!

a study doesnt have tobe posted 2 seconds ago to not be oiutdated

complications are real and avoiding surgery for other treatments is best thats as far as my claims go

surgery is the only way

for some cases that could have been prevented and wasnt? yes
but we should prevent it so ppl like u dont get sleep apena bad looks etc

on another note how you sit can cut of your blood flow to your head so proper posture is imporant if u had sleep apnea and that caused you depression

(19-11-2022, 02:06 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 02:04 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:55 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:53 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: a study doesnt have tobe posted 2 seconds ago to not be oiutdated

complications are real and avoiding surgery for other treatments is best thats as far as my claims go

surgery is the only way

for some cases that could have been prevented and wasnt? yes
but we should prevent it so ppl like u dont get sleep apena bad looks etc

on another note how you sit can cut of your blood flow to your head so proper posture is imporant if u had sleep apnea and that caused you depression

it's not preventable

(19-11-2022, 02:14 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 02:06 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 02:04 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 01:55 AM)зайчик Wrote: surgery is the only way

for some cases that could have been prevented and wasnt? yes
but we should prevent it so ppl like u dont get sleep apena bad looks etc

on another note how you sit can cut of your blood flow to your head so proper posture is imporant if u had sleep apnea and that caused you depression

it's not preventable

thats why ur mdoern subumhan problems like sleep apnea was at 0% before agriculture

(19-11-2022, 02:17 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 02:14 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 02:06 AM)зайчик Wrote:

(19-11-2022, 02:04 AM)lawahh19/dwohhgang Wrote: for some cases that could have been prevented and wasnt? yes
but we should prevent it so ppl like u dont get sleep apena bad looks etc

on another note how you sit can cut of your blood flow to your head so proper posture is imporant if u had sleep apnea and that caused you depression

it's not preventable

thats why ur mdoern subumhan problems like sleep apnea was at 0% before agriculture

i'm not certain whether i even had it tbh because not tested

(19-11-2022, 12:18 AM)kathisterima Wrote: again, do you have any evidence for this shit? Because I've read on PSL and JSF and GWF that he charges very high amounts for consultations to people who are interested in aesthetic changes (because that's what he advertises) and of course he can not help them. Basically fooled people into believing he is some high-end PS alternative with his silly "orthotropic" devices.