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This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
So everything we feel, from the color, taste, smell and touch of a certain material/object is 100 percent an illusion right?
So our entire perception of the universe is literally just our own made up biological illusions to respond to changes in our environment.
I've had these thoughts for a long time now but just now while I was eating, I was thinking about what the world "looks" like by itself.
The end of the problem :
It would "look" like nothing because for something to even register in our brains as an appearance or thing, it has to exist and be available to interact with our senses.
What does the universe feel like?
Using our understanding of the way particles and physics work, I'd assume everything is literally just vibrations of different orders of magnitudes and types, coupled with lightwaves, whatever they are.
What does "nothing" look like?
Nothing, can't "look" like "anything" because it infact simply doesn't exist to us. The best we can describe nothing is pitch black. This however has nothing to do with "nothingness" as we only rationalise it to be this way due to again, restrictions brought upon by our own senses.
My theory is that most describe "nothingness" the way they do by subconsciously imagining that "nothing" = no perception of looks. The closest we get to no perception of sight is when being blinded by the dark completely or when we close our eyes in a dark room.
Thoughts? I need feedback since almost everything here is restricted to us, this is completely beyond everything "rational" to us.
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Sassy Doll - 04-11-2024
One dude has proposed that the universe in fact is not the basic layer of reality.
Instead, it is consciousness. You start with consciousness and from there you explain why there is a universe.
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
ITT try your hardest to give me a response to what "nothingness" looks like
OR
What the world "looks" like from a third person POV without biological sensory processes.
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Honest - 04-11-2024
If you’re operating empirically, the claim that sensory experiences are “100% an illusion” is nonsensical, seeing as it would require you to have empirical knowledge of the existence of a non-illusionary reality, which would be impossible.
Secondly, You’re mistakenly conflating reductionism with illusion. Saying, “wow, I thought that thing over there was an elephant, but it’s actually just a collection of quarks!” is a misunderstanding of language.
Thirdly, I don’t see what “nothing” has to do with the first half of your post.
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 03:50 PM)Honest Wrote: Secondly, You’re mistakenly conflating reductionism with illusion. Saying, “wow, I thought that thing over there was an elephant, but it’s actually just a collection of quarks!” is a misunderstanding of language.
That's a dumb exaggeration of what I was trying say. And those "collection of quarks" make up an elephant, duh.
Trying to visualize nothingness I feel like is extremely similar to trying to visualize what the elements look like "raw" in a sense.
(04-11-2024, 03:50 PM)Honest Wrote: If you’re operating empirically, the claim that sensory experiences are “100% an illusion” is nonsensical, seeing as it would require you to have empirical knowledge of the existence of a non-illusionary reality, which would be impossible.
I've been served. Last part makes alot of sense ngl.
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Sassy Doll - 04-11-2024
If you run the big bang cosmology back to Time Zero, then yes, it breaks down.
You end up with an infinitely dense universe that occupies No Space
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 04:27 PM)Sassy Doll Wrote: If you run the big bang cosmology back to Time Zero, then yes, it breaks down.
You end up with an infinitely dense universe that occupies No Space
YHWH created everything imo
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Sassy Doll - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 04:35 PM)n9wiff Wrote: YHWH created everything imo
He was later beheaded by Jabhat al-Nusra though
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 05:12 PM)Sassy Doll Wrote: He was later beheaded by Jabhat al-Nusra though
No one kills G-d.
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Sassy Doll - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 05:19 PM)n9wiff Wrote: No one kills G-d.
Exactly, which is how scientists know that YHWH was actually a hatter
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 05:34 PM)Sassy Doll Wrote: Exactly, which is how scientists know that YHWH was actually a hatter
So you believe Moses was a prophet, and that Allah (S.W.T) did give him the 10 commandments, but you don't follow the commandments?
Commandments given by Allah (S.W.T) himself?
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Sassy Doll - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 05:53 PM)n9wiff Wrote: So you believe Moses was a prophet, and that Allah (S.W.T) did give him the 10 commandments, but you don't follow the commandments?
Commandments given by Allah (S.W.T) himself?
The main thing is monotheism
If you affirm the oneness of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
Which the cross-worshippers don't
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - n9wiff - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 05:55 PM)Sassy Doll Wrote: Which the cross-worshippers don't
Christians believe in one God too, the whole 1+1+1=3 argument is so dumb.
Why don't you apply the same logic to the burning bush in the Book of Exodus ( Moses freeing the Chosen People )
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - Sassy Doll - 04-11-2024
(04-11-2024, 05:59 PM)n9wiff Wrote: Christians believe in one God too, the whole 1+1+1=3 argument is so dumb.
Why don't you apply the same logic to the burning bush in the Book of Exodus ( Moses freeing the Chosen People )
They are not the chosen people whatsoever.
Christians mention a Trinity which means they feel Allah is merely 1 of 3
RE: This thought is killing me mentally, someone weigh in with a high IQ response - MVP - 04-11-2024
thoughts?
load of bullshit, i dont even know how to respond